*** Official #2 IOWA STATE vs West Virginia Game(Day) Thread ***

[NoCreativity]

When you're coach, jeresib, you can implement your brilliant policies. Good luck. We're all counting on you.

Great contribution to the discussion. Keep it up.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I was getting a flashback during the game to Otz's first year, with CuJo playing the role of Brockington. It seemed like if CuJo didn't score, no one else was a threat. That makes it too easy for opponents to shut us down and puts too much pressure on CuJo.

Yeah we need Keshon to start playing like an all Big 12 and Wooden Award Watchlist player if we want to compete for a Big12 title. Can't all be on on Curtis for the next few weeks.

 

[madguy30]

Yeah we need Keshon to start playing like an all Big 12 and Wooden Award Watchlist player if we want to compete for a Big12 title. Can't all be on on Curtis for the next few weeks.

I'm curious to see if Tamin starts looking to score earlier after several months of distributing more than his first two years.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I'm curious to see if Tamin starts looking to score earlier after several months of distributing more than his first two years.

That would help as well. Just feel like Keshon is the more talented offensive player so hoping he can regain some of that Maui Magic he had

 

[NoCreativity]

I didn't say doing sprints. He'd get in, defend really well, get a putback occasionally.

I don't care if TJ plays guys or not or when. I can understand that coaches spend hours preparing however they do and TJ and staff have shown to prioritize details and assessment of players so there's no realistic reason to point at some November game as the reason ISU lost Saturday.

Re:CMC: football is a completely different type of physical energy expended over even one series so rotating players to provide breaks makes much more sense since it's only one game/week.

Not to mention practice reps etc. in football are completely different since they're against a full scout team of guys not on the depth chart instead of facing one another with only 12-15 players on the bball roster.

This is direct from Nojus recruiting profile and he already showed flashes of this against Power 5 competition in Maui.

"When it is all said and done, Indrusaitis has the potential to end up as one of the most skilled shooting guards in the class of 2024. At 6-foot-5 he has very good size, he is a good enough athlete and he is wired to score from deep and has an emerging pull-up game."

If you can't how a guy like that might have helped a little in a game like Saturday then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[CloneLawman]

Great contribution to the discussion. Keep it up.

I'd be happy to contribute to a meaningful discussion. When's that going to break out, Jeres?

 

[madguy30]

This is direct from Nojus recruiting profile and he already showed flashes of this against Power 5 competition in Maui.

"When it is all said and done, Indrusaitis has the potential to end up as one of the most skilled shooting guards in the class of 2024. At 6-foot-5 he has very good size, he is a good enough athlete and he is wired to score from deep and has an emerging pull-up game."

If you can't how a guy like that might have helped a little in a game like Saturday then I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah recruiting profiles automatically equal playing 5 more minutes in November translating to being the difference in a really tough place to play.

He played quite a bit in the fall and I'll trust the coaches that have more Sweet 16s than anyone at ISU vs. some recruiting quote haha. Yikes.

 

[madguy30]

That would help as well. Just feel like Keshon is the more talented offensive player so hoping he can regain some of that Maui Magic he had

He's always had a trend of getting into traffic and losing the handle or putting up something wild so hopefully it gets reigned in a bit.

He got scouted and they'll need to figure out how to work around it.

 

[cyclones500]

My luke-warm take is that 2-22 isn't that bad because that season only had like three non-con games outside of Iowa and the "SEC Challenge" or whatever conference it was that year. Throw in eight more games against kenpom #200-300 and it's probably just a run-of-the-mill sh*tty record instead of a historically sh*tty record.

Agree. Still probably a single-digit-win season, but ...

INITIAL SCHEDULE
Kennesaw State
Oregon State
Alabama A&M
UL Monroe
Emerald Coast Classic (Illinois, Florida, Oregon)
Emerald Coast Classic (Illinois, Florida, Oregon)
South Dakota State
DePaul (B12/BE Battle)
at Iowa
Jackson State
North Carolina A&T
Chicago State
(Big 12 & B12/SEC)

ACTUAL
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
South Dakota State
at Iowa
Jackson State
(Big 12 & B12/SEC)

 

[NoCreativity]

Yeah recruiting profiles automatically equal playing 5 more minutes in November translating to being the difference in a really tough place to play.

Again, not even close to what I said at all. I'm moving on to UCF but I guess if you and your buddy Clonelawman want to continue to discuss a game from 2 days ago then go for it.

 

[madguy30]

Again, not even close to what I said at all. I'm moving on to UCF but I guess if you and your buddy Clonelawman want to continue to discuss a game from 2 days ago then go for it.

You quoted a random profile blurb to justify a freshman more playing time or playing in a loss in which scoring was difficult for everyone.

 

[NYCYFan]

No reason to get upset about this loss. I called it in pre game that I had a bad feeling about this game. Even the great teams in tough conferences get like 5-7 losses a year so I expect the same with Iowa State, 1 maybe 2 losses at home and 4-5 on the road so I thought this would be a tough one to get. Just take the L and move on to the next one.

 

[NENick]

The team shot terribly vs WVU. I'm sure their defense had something to do with it and Milan's absence certainly didn't help. However, he is averaging 24 minutes per game, so 1/3 of games have been played with him not in the game. I haven't tried to sort out offensive efficiency between Milan in the game vs not, but I'm guessing the team has done ok, up until WVU, when using other lineup combinations.

My point is that Gilbert, Lipsey and, to a lessor extent, Jefferson and Heise are capable of making outside shots. And Jones going 1-6 is out of the ordinary. The fg shooting in that game will prove to be an anomaly, not a innovative defensive strategy.

 

[FerShizzle]

Or maybe "the plan" was partly?/mostly? the reason ISU shot poorly from 3pt range...ISU was frazzled by the physical nature of the defense. I agree that what WVU did wasn't novel. However, what was "shown" was that ISU didn't seem prepared to deal with the physical style of play and wasn't able to force WVU out of that gameplan.

WVU was allowed to foul at the pick and roll at the top of the key with impunity. ISU not being able to initiate actions there was the problem. If another team is allowed to junk up the game like that, it will be a problem, but this also isn’t novel. It would be a problem for any team.

 

[cytor]

The refs allowed the junking up of this game... that will not happen in KC or the big dance.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Really, the most important stat of this game is our lack of free throws, not the three point shooting. For a team that prides itself in forcing the action in the paint to get only 7 free throw attempts is pretty shocking.

 

[madguy30]

Really, the most important stat of this game is our lack of free throws, not the three point shooting. For a team that prides itself in forcing the action in the paint to get only 7 free throw attempts is pretty shocking.

The good news is they went 6/7 haha.

 

[cyclones500]

CMC lost to them too

True, but initial post re: Walden was "double-digit loss."

 

[flycy]

I'm curious to see if Tamin starts looking to score earlier after several months of distributing more than his first two years.

Problem is, he's not a good shooter currently.

 

[madguy30]

Problem is, he's not a good shooter currently.

No but he can find his way to lane and maybe get to the line. He's generally held off on that and I'd wonder if there's a change in the plan after last week.