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I know he's still really young but watching games and not just highlights is he could stand to be more physical. I trust he'll be solid but right now pretty soft against low competition in South Dakota. Definitely a good 4 year player but I'm not going to expect a lot early

Don’t tell that to that “Momcilovic is a Day 1 Starter” crowd.
 

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Agree. Can you image the outrage on this board if that was TJ on the sidelines watching his favored team lose a very winnable game? But yet we have everybody singing the praises of a ‘cool’ Tang.

Yeah. Nobody is saying, on the overall, Tang didn't do a good job. You have to be doing a LOT of things right to finish 3rd in this league and get to an elite 8. The same can be said about TJ in regards to this team.

Something I think Tang and TJ might have in common though is they both appear to be poor in-game managers\tacticians, something they need to fix if they ever want to get to the next level. Evaluating matchups as the game unfolds, sticking with effective personnel/rotations, utilizing sound in-game strategy, and utilizing timeouts/sideline coaching to guide players are all ways coaches should be looking to influence the game (as necessary) and these are things both coaches largely failed at throughout the season.

The fact he allowed his team (without using timeouts) to take/make terrible shots/decisions and the way he managed the end of game tell me what I need to know about his in-game aptitude. Given the situation is was highly likely (and smart) for FAU to look to foul before KSU ever got the first shot off within the 17 second markt. Nowell passes up that shot and they go for 2? The next time down the floor Massoud passed up a shot to put the ball on the floor? While it could be a case of 2 players simply making mistakes it's doutbtful, especially given what transpired in the game and during the season. At the very least they were poorly prepped and at worst Nowell was told to get a two.
 

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Yeah. Nobody is saying, on the overall, Tang didn't do a good job. You have to be doing a LOT of things right to finish 3rd in this league and get to an elite 8. The same can be said about TJ in regards to this team.

Something I think Tang and TJ might have in common though is they both appear to be poor in-game managers\tacticians, something they need to fix if they ever want to get to the next level. Evaluating matchups as the game unfolds, sticking with effective personnel/rotations, utilizing sound in-game strategy, and utilizing timeouts/sideline coaching to guide players are all ways coaches should be looking to influence the game (as necessary) and these are things both coaches largely failed at throughout the season.

The fact he allowed his team (without using timeouts) to take/make terrible shots/decisions and the way he managed the end of game tell me what I need to know about his in-game aptitude. Given the situation is was highly likely (and smart) for FAU to look to foul before KSU ever got the first shot off within the 17 second markt. Nowell passes up that shot and they go for 2? The next time down the floor Massoud passed up a shot to put the ball on the floor? While it could be a case of 2 players simply making mistakes it's doutbtful, especially given what transpired in the game and during the season. At the very least they were poorly prepped and at worst Nowell was told to get a two.
Getting the 2 in that scenario was the right option. running out of timeouts and not having the 3 point play set up killed them. For a first year coach Tang did a fantastic job. Some of this stuff you learn from experience.
 

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Yeah. Nobody is saying, on the overall, Tang didn't do a good job. You have to be doing a LOT of things right to finish 3rd in this league and get to an elite 8. The same can be said about TJ in regards to this team.

Something I think Tang and TJ might have in common though is they both appear to be poor in-game managers\tacticians, something they need to fix if they ever want to get to the next level. Evaluating matchups as the game unfolds, sticking with effective personnel/rotations, utilizing sound in-game strategy, and utilizing timeouts/sideline coaching to guide players are all ways coaches should be looking to influence the game (as necessary) and these are things both coaches largely failed at throughout the season.

The fact he allowed his team (without using timeouts) to take/make terrible shots/decisions and the way he managed the end of game tell me what I need to know about his in-game aptitude. Given the situation is was highly likely (and smart) for FAU to look to foul before KSU ever got the first shot off within the 17 second markt. Nowell passes up that shot and they go for 2? The next time down the floor Massoud passed up a shot to put the ball on the floor? While it could be a case of 2 players simply making mistakes it's doutbtful, especially given what transpired in the game and during the season. At the very least they were poorly prepped and at worst Nowell was told to get a two.

JFC. Coach Hindsight here is the greatest coach ever!!!
 

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Yeah. Nobody is saying, on the overall, Tang didn't do a good job. You have to be doing a LOT of things right to finish 3rd in this league and get to an elite 8. The same can be said about TJ in regards to this team.

Something I think Tang and TJ might have in common though is they both appear to be poor in-game managers\tacticians, something they need to fix if they ever want to get to the next level. Evaluating matchups as the game unfolds, sticking with effective personnel/rotations, utilizing sound in-game strategy, and utilizing timeouts/sideline coaching to guide players are all ways coaches should be looking to influence the game (as necessary) and these are things both coaches largely failed at throughout the season.

The fact he allowed his team (without using timeouts) to take/make terrible shots/decisions and the way he managed the end of game tell me what I need to know about his in-game aptitude. Given the situation is was highly likely (and smart) for FAU to look to foul before KSU ever got the first shot off within the 17 second markt. Nowell passes up that shot and they go for 2? The next time down the floor Massoud passed up a shot to put the ball on the floor? While it could be a case of 2 players simply making mistakes it's doutbtful, especially given what transpired in the game and during the season. At the very least they were poorly prepped and at worst Nowell was told to get a two.
Sometimes being the smartest or best coach flat out doesn't matter. You could draw up the best play and your guys simply don't execute it correctly OR the defense does something that couldn't be accounted for prior, and all of a sudden everything goes out the window. It all then falls on having the right guys on the floor at the right time that you trust to make the play when something breaks down.

It is so so easy to play the if, and, or, buts game after the fact.
 

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Sometimes being the smartest or best coach flat out doesn't matter. You could draw up the best play and your guys simply don't execute it correctly OR the defense does something that couldn't be accounted for prior, and all of a sudden everything goes out the window. It all then falls on having the right guys on the floor at the right time that you trust to make the play when something breaks down.

It is so so easy to play the if, and, or, buts game after the fact.
You can tell when people haven't played or coached sports. I haven't done either at a high level but I've done both enough to know (especially in bball) **** happens. You're never going to be perfect. Even when you have perfect position a rebound can bounce wrong or someone can hit a tough shot over a defense.
 

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You can tell when people haven't played or coached sports. I haven't done either at a high level but I've done both enough to know (especially in bball) **** happens. You're never going to be perfect. Even when you have perfect position a rebound can bounce wrong or someone can hit a tough shot over a defense.

Goes for sports in general.

It's rare for an offensive football play to be perfect, for example.
 

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Sometimes being the smartest or best coach flat out doesn't matter. You could draw up the best play and your guys simply don't execute it correctly OR the defense does something that couldn't be accounted for prior, and all of a sudden everything goes out the window. It all then falls on having the right guys on the floor at the right time that you trust to make the play when something breaks down.

It is so so easy to play the if, and, or, buts game after the fact.

If it were that simple, the NCAA tourney would just go chalk and guys like Bill Self, Coach K etc. would have 15 titles. Self is swarmy but he is also a tactition with 'just need a bucket' situations and guess what, he's had some serious teams get bounced in tight games in March.

Someone said in another thread that Eustachy was a great Xs and Os guy and I don't think he was...he had some absolute dudes that didn't need a ton of input and could play his style. Watch their games and it looks like all game was 'pick away, cut, drive if you can and Jamal, don't do anything stupid' haha.
 

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You can tell when people haven't played or coached sports. I haven't done either at a high level but I've done both enough to know (especially in bball) **** happens. You're never going to be perfect. Even when you have perfect position a rebound can bounce wrong or someone can hit a tough shot over a defense.
That's why it's so important that you can get players that can improvise, create, and make tough shots.
 

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If it were that simple, the NCAA tourney would just go chalk and guys like Bill Self, Coach K etc. would have 15 titles. Self is swarmy but he is also a tactition with 'just need a bucket' situations and guess what, he's had some serious teams get bounced in tight games in March.

Someone said in another thread that Eustachy was a great Xs and Os guy and I don't think he was...he had some absolute dudes that didn't need a ton of input and could play his style. Watch their games and it looks like all game was 'pick away, cut, drive if you can and Jamal, don't do anything stupid' haha.
Yeah it's very simplistic to say someone should've done x,y, or z. These coaches are going against other very smart coaches with players that are actively trying to **** up the offense and vice versa. Coach Tang actually is a terrific X's and O's and situational coach. He was behind a lot of Scott Drew's success. Just because Tang "may" have not coached to perfection in the Elite 8 doesn't mean he's bad at that aspect of his job lol.
 
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