How many people donated to We Will today?

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If you don’t donate, the least you can do is keep your mouth shut so you don’t influence another fan to also withhold a donation. Literally just closing the browser and walking away. Super simple. And that way you won’t be harming the team you claim to be a fan of.
 

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Can one of you guys that’s talking down on the WWC just explain your reasoning behind doing this? Is your desired outcome to talk people out of donating and to stop altogether? Is your goal a NIL fund at ISU worth $0? Why?

People can be against NIL or not have excess cash, fine. But maybe just encourage others who are trying to build up the WWC? What is the downside in that?
As an outsider (meaning I haven't posted for or against it in this thread) - I think people are stating their opinions pretty well. While there are the 5% of crazies on any issue, I think on this you see people stating why they're giving or why they aren't. I fully understand both viewpoints and and can't fault anybody for having a genuine rationale.

If you view it as a necessary evil, sure you're going to state that and some might even encourage people to donate as much as possible. On the flip side, most of the people I've seen against it are stating why but not directly encouraging others not to donate.
 

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As an outsider (meaning I haven't posted for or against it in this thread) - I think people are stating their opinions pretty well. While there are the 5% of crazies on any issue, I think on this you see people stating why they're giving or why they aren't. I fully understand both viewpoints and and can't fault anybody for having a genuine rationale.

If you view it as a necessary evil, sure you're going to state that and some might even encourage people to donate as much as possible. On the flip side, most of the people I've seen against it are stating why but not directly encouraging others not to donate.
That’s fair. But can’t you argue that every dollar toward NIL will benefit ISU athletics? And the more negative posts people see, one could assume that can influence people to either not donate, or hold back a bit.

What I’m trying to say is, if you’re a true ISU fan, let’s try to just keep things positive and encouraging. I truly don’t see how one person can drag the WWC and also want ISU athletics to be successful.
 
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That’s fair. But can’t you argue that every dollar toward NIL will benefit ISU athletics? And the more negative posts people see, one could assume that can influence people to either not donate, or hold back a bit.

What I’m trying to say is, if you’re a true ISU fan, let’s try to just keep things positive and encouraging. I truly don’t see how one person can drag the WWC and also want ISU athletics to be successful.
Check out the very first reply to the OP in this thread for the example of BS I’m trying to say needs to stop. What’s the good in a post like that?
 
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As an outsider (meaning I haven't posted for or against it in this thread) - I think people are stating their opinions pretty well. While there are the 5% of crazies on any issue, I think on this you see people stating why they're giving or why they aren't. I fully understand both viewpoints and and can't fault anybody for having a genuine rationale.

If you view it as a necessary evil, sure you're going to state that and some might even encourage people to donate as much as possible. On the flip side, most of the people I've seen against it are stating why but not directly encouraging others not to donate.
The first three reply’s to this thread are people saying they aren’t going to donate to the WWC. That seems pretty discouraging.
 
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That’s fair. But can’t you argue that every dollar toward NIL will benefit ISU athletics? And the more negative posts people see, one could assume that can influence people to either not donate, or hold back a bit.

What I’m trying to say is, if you’re a true ISU fan, let’s try to just keep things positive and encouraging. I truly don’t see how one person can drag the WWC and also want ISU athletics to be successful.
Absolutely... but I take them as being wholly against NIL and not against WWC at all. It comes off as dragging WWC because if you have a hard stop on NIL, it doesn't matter how well formed and intended the WWC version of it is.

Either way - if people can get around the NIL **** and donate to WWC, it will absolutely help ISU Athletics. If people can't or don't want to, I fully understand that and don't consider it not being a die-hard fan.
 
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Absolutely... but I take them as being wholly against NIL and not against WWC at all. It comes off as dragging WWC because if you have a hard stop on NIL, it doesn't matter how well formed and intended the WWC version of it is.

Either way - if people can get around the NIL **** and donate to WWC, it will absolutely help ISU Athletics. If people can't or don't want to, I fully understand that and don't consider it not being a die-hard fan.
Completely agree with this. i just don’t understand someone whining about being hounded to whip out their checkbook while reading a thread about contributing.
 
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Absolutely... but I take them as being wholly against NIL and not against WWC at all. It comes off as dragging WWC because if you have a hard stop on NIL, it doesn't matter how well formed and intended the WWC version of it is.

Either way - if people can get around the NIL **** and donate to WWC, it will absolutely help ISU Athletics. If people can't or don't want to, I fully understand that and don't consider it not being a die-hard fan.
So someone opens this thread and sees the first 3 negative replies, wouldn’t you think that could impact some people into not donating? Just trying to say let’s keep it positive. It literally does no good to poopoo any of this
 

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Absolutely... but I take them as being wholly against NIL and not against WWC at all. It comes off as dragging WWC because if you have a hard stop on NIL, it doesn't matter how well formed and intended the WWC version of it is.

Either way - if people can get around the NIL **** and donate to WWC, it will absolutely help ISU Athletics. If people can't or don't want to, I fully understand that and don't consider it not being a die-hard fan.
I mean they basically bait you guys into feeding Hawkeyes memes about us. I’d almost bet from your own pessimism on the AD that you’d prefer us in the MAC.
 

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I think what you are seeing already at many schools is the ADs are having their major donors give to the Collectives rather than the AD. Now, not all ADs have the same resources and $1M to A&M is different than to Iowa State, but absolutely some donors are being directed to give to specific areas.
Yep, you answered it. Thank you. I know this stuff is evolving quick (how schools can be associated) and appreciate all you are doing....although, twitter makes it seem U of Iowa invented collectives
 

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Duh!
I don't have a problem with the We Will Collective or those donating to it. If people want to to donate to college athletics, that's fine -- great even. But trying to shame other fans into doing so is, shall we say, one-star culture ********.

But it is worth noting that this is a war we probably will not and cannot win. If open NIL is the new reality of college football, ISU and schools like it simply cannot compete, no matter how much our fan base is hounded to whip out their checkbooks. Our fan base may be the most loyal, but we aren't the richest or the biggest by a long shot. There's nothing wrong with refusing to throw good money after bad and refusing to enter an unwinnable arms race.
Don’t “throw good money after bad”, it’s you your choice; but what are you even doing here if it’s all a lost cause that you don’t want to support? Just to complain?

we don’t have the richest or largest fan base, but we are getting beat by most P5; many of whom have smaller enrollment, alumni bases and state populations. I am not okay with that and try to do my part. The site has been filled with negativity for weeks. The requested change finally happens and when the question is asked whether fans will respond, some fans here ghost.

To your credit, you are being upfront about your position.
 

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Targeting the 25% on this forum that admit they don't support in any way might be a good start. Targeting those that are in the 14% minority of supporting and have been at high donor levels is not legit. Those people have been supporting the $100,000+++ benefits these kids have traditionally gotten. Why haven't we heard any gratitude from any of them for the extras they now get. Crickets.
 

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If people can't or don't want to, I fully understand that and don't consider it not being a die-hard fan.



Get with the program man. Being "JUST" an alum maybe buying tickets and/or donating to the AD are all just so 2021.

Because now not only will .19$ a day feed the world and save an animal........it will get Matt Campbell the offensive linemen he has always wanted.

I'm sure this entire thing is on the up......but here on CF it's become another in many **** measuring contests on who is the best fan. If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious.
 

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Get with the program man. Being "JUST" an alum maybe buying tickets and/or donating to the AD are all just so 2021.

Because now not only will .19$ a day feed the world and save an animal........it will get Matt Campbell the offensive linemen he has always wanted.

I'm sure this entire thing is on the up......but here on CF it's become another in many **** measuring contests on who is the best fan. If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious.
Wow man how crazy, people on CycloneFanatic.com are fanatics about the cyclones and we want them to survive and thrive. Just insane let’s shut this whole thing down
 

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I mean they basically bait you guys into feeding Hawkeyes memes about us. I’d almost bet from your own pessimism on the AD that you’d prefer us in the MAC.
Couldn't be further from the truth. I've given as much time, money, and energy towards ISU Athletics over the past 20 years as anybody. I want nothing but the absolute best and anybody that even questions that has a 180 degree wrong view of me. Not even counting ISU directed giving, on CF alone I spent on average over $20K a year running this place with no revenue all while my wife and I were living in an 800 sf house with our first big person jobs and trying to raise a baby living paycheck to paycheck. I've never posted that because people have never been stupid enough to question my loyalty.

I'm not pessimistic at all, but I'm also not a hype guy. I know the numbers, talk to the players, know what the offers are coming in at, and understand where we are in relative terms. Yes, I will point out that right now ISU is dead last in the Big 12 in giving of every kind, but I have also pointed out more times than that how we battle it with other means as best we can. This year will be a good example where fan support, defensive system, culture, and whatnot will keep us competitive even when our top offer will be around 25-30K up against offers of 150-200K.

I've convinced a lot of people to donate either to the AD or WWC, but I'm not going to brag about it each time on here.
 

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Yep, you answered it. Thank you. I know this stuff is evolving quick (how schools can be associated) and appreciate all you are doing....although, twitter makes it seem U of Iowa invented collectives
Hawkeyes aren’t nearly as smart as the Borg Collective
 
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