CFP Expanding to 12 Teams
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Cincinnati was in the big east until it died. People forget they were in a power conference.
I woulda said 4, but your point stands.
Id guess most years you will have a 2nd team from the B1G and a 2nd team from 2 of the other 3 conferences. And then 3 SEC. Ugh. But ok.
Heres what makes me throw up in my mouth tho. Fake ID ToE is gonna go 10-2 and lose to tosu by 30, and get a spot.
Remember, the big ten is getting rid of divisions, so Iowa will have had to play a little better schedule most likely. If you look at this year, the top 3 teams from the big ten were from the west, so Iowa would not have made it this year. The big ten will set it up so OSU and Michigan make it for the most part.
I wonder how long it will be before two teams play against each other in three consecutive games.
Last game of the regular season,
Conference title game,
First round of the playoff.
If the CCG winner is the 5th or 6th best conference champ, this can (and eventually will) happen. It’s probably most likely if the teams split the first two games.
Last game of the regular season,
Conference title game,
First round of the playoff.
If the CCG winner is the 5th or 6th best conference champ, this can (and eventually will) happen. It’s probably most likely if the teams split the first two games.
And won it twice and played in the Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl.
I absolutely do not understand the angst over this... This is good for Iowa State all around.
Look... SEC and B10 are already set to make 30+ million more for TV rights than the rest of us. Who cares. The important part is that the B12 has a basically guaranteed seat at the table. The extra team for them in the playoff won't affect anything we do.
Think about it.. so what if the B10 gets 3 teams in, or the SEC does the same. They still have to play the playoff games. Don't we all spout off on how some of the teams from SEC or B10 are "fake ID's" and don't play anybody? The playoff will expose them.
Not to mention... with OU leaving, we have an absolute chance at a conference championship as long as we keep doing what we are doing. Heck, we almost won the stupid thing against OU a couple of years ago.
Look... SEC and B10 are already set to make 30+ million more for TV rights than the rest of us. Who cares. The important part is that the B12 has a basically guaranteed seat at the table. The extra team for them in the playoff won't affect anything we do.
Think about it.. so what if the B10 gets 3 teams in, or the SEC does the same. They still have to play the playoff games. Don't we all spout off on how some of the teams from SEC or B10 are "fake ID's" and don't play anybody? The playoff will expose them.
Not to mention... with OU leaving, we have an absolute chance at a conference championship as long as we keep doing what we are doing. Heck, we almost won the stupid thing against OU a couple of years ago.
True. They have been at or near P5 level for awhile now. Before 2005 though they were a G5 program working their way up. So, within a 15-20 year time frame, it's good for teams to have the opportunity to build into a P5 level team. And then you have teams like SDSU and Memphis which have the potential to be P5 level in 3 years or less.
If you thought risk of the Big 12 not having any access was high, it’s a good day. But that risk was very low imo. And it’s technically not an auto for Big 12. The only thing this is better than is a straight top-12
The CFP expansion was needed to allow P2 expansion and further consolidation, but this setup isn’t good for the leftovers getting to a 3rd conference setup. It won’t stop P2 expansion but it could fool the weak P5s into not consolidating and instead more backfilling, which further dilutes and expedites the day the P2 do actually separate.
It’s imperative that when the P2 are at 20+ schools, the leftovers get into 1 conference. A PAC backfilling with Mountain West or ACC with American, competing for 1 bid each, while adding even more G5 dna to leftovers “middle class is what we must avoid. The setup has locked in at least 4 non-P2 berths, and 3 of those being distributed across 3 rump conferences of a combined 32+ schools is a path to pseudo G8 setup. Aggregate those 3 across 20-24 leftover schools, and it’s a P3 in terms of CFP access
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My worry wasn't mainly about being excluded. My question was "why the angst"? The discussion about X conference getting more teams in because of "eye test" criteria from the talking heads is a moot point.
That happens now with a 4 team playoff. Also, the money aspect is a moot point. Sure if the SEC gets 3 teams in, they get more money. But WHAT DOES THAT MATTER? They already get more.
My point is this.. in a 12 team playoff, the SEC and B10 will get fake ID teams in. It's up to the rest of us to beat them. I'd throw stones at the B10 now about the B10 west, but since we can't seem to beat Iowa it's a funny argument to try and make. Still... I'd like to square off with Michigan State in a playoff game.
Again, because of expectations. It was known expansion was coming, just a question of when, and assumed there would be Big 12 access. P2-only was never happening next, and straight top 12 very unlikely.
All we learned yesterday was leftover consolidation is more difficult.
Hopefully it gets amended once P2 expansion occurs, because there won’t be PAC to Big 12 if it just means PAC leftovers and B12 have a more difficult path to CFP. Easier to get a top 6 conference auto than an at-large from Big 16
Oh, I totally agree. Now the PAC schools have a motivation to stay. Easier path to a guaranteed playoff opportunity. Same as us.
All I know is that 12 is better than 4 for the Big 12. At 4 there was probably almost no chance for the Big 12 to get a team in the CFP..... they would have taken 2 SEC and 2 B1G nearly every year.... or some combination of those two conferences.
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Also they might feel even if the B1G does take 2 or 4 teams, backfilling w MWC and being a glorified G5 is still better than joining Big12. Not sure if that would be right or not, but it might be enough to keep them in the p12.
Feels like going to 16 w the M4 in 2 years has gone from 90% to 10% probability.
Yeah, now the Pac will live a while longer. Before the threat of B1G taking teams was prob enough to make the M4 bail out. Now, it seems more distant.
Also they might feel even if the B1G does take 2 or 4 teams, backfilling w MWC and being a glorified G5 is still better than joining Big12. Not sure if that would be right or not, but it might be enough to keep them in the p12.
Feels like going to 16 w the M4 in 2 years has gone from 90% to 10% probability.
Which only increases the chance the leftovers end up closer to American and MWC than P2 over 10-15 years.
Our access isn’t too different than American and MWC. Technically neither is the P2’s, but that doesn’t hurt them in long run.
The P5 leftovers needed the “equalizer” that was formally better access than American or MWC. Exclusivity on autos outside of P2.
The current structure is a poison pill for leftovers- can’t consolidate to “keep up” with P2 and get to formal or informal P3. And when P2 expands, the PAC 6 or PAC 8 will have to add Mountain West, adding more G5 to our level, while also meaning everyone below our level has better odds at auto #6. Forced to cannibalize each other. What we learned yesterday wasn’t good news, unless one thought CFP expansion meant P2-only or wasn’t happening.
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Yeah, now the Pac will live a while longer. Before the threat of B1G taking teams was prob enough to make the M4 bail out. Now, it seems more distant.
Also they might feel even if the B1G does take 2 or 4 teams, backfilling w MWC and being a glorified G5 is still better than joining Big12. Not sure if that would be right or not, but it might be enough to keep them in the p12.
Feels like going to 16 w the M4 in 2 years has gone from 90% to 10% probability.
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Totally feel the same. Trouble is that I'm conflicted as to whether that is good or bad... lol!
Also they might feel even if the B1G does take 2 or 4 teams, backfilling w MWC and being a glorified G5 is still better than joining Big12. Not sure if that would be right or not, but it might be enough to keep them in the p12.
Feels like going to 16 w the M4 in 2 years has gone from 90% to 10% probability.
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Totally feel the same. Trouble is that I'm conflicted as to whether that is good or bad... lol!
The access issue is solved with this proposal, now the tough part.
How do you divide up the money that is expected to go up from $475 million per year to some amount over $1 billion after competitive bidding starts? tThe SEC and BIG will try and push for the payout based mainly on participation, while everyone else will look to keep the large base allocation.
Currently each Power five conference gets $67 million, and the G5 conferences in total get $67 million and then each team playing gets $4-6 million per game.
It will be interesting and important to see how this plays out. It is not out of the question that the Big 12 per team payout from the playoffs could go from $7-8 million to $20 million per year.
No wonder the Presidents voted to force the commissioners to get it done!
How do you divide up the money that is expected to go up from $475 million per year to some amount over $1 billion after competitive bidding starts? tThe SEC and BIG will try and push for the payout based mainly on participation, while everyone else will look to keep the large base allocation.
Currently each Power five conference gets $67 million, and the G5 conferences in total get $67 million and then each team playing gets $4-6 million per game.
It will be interesting and important to see how this plays out. It is not out of the question that the Big 12 per team payout from the playoffs could go from $7-8 million to $20 million per year.
No wonder the Presidents voted to force the commissioners to get it done!
