If the B12 remains intact and moves forward

[WhoISthis]

Washington State. They are in a P5 Conference and make more money.
Boise State may have won in MWC but the competition is not as good. That is just a fact.

Interesting.
Do you think there are teams every year that lose more games because of a more difficult schedule that are more irrelevant than those that win? Would you rather be Cincy last year or Vandy?

When the Pac12 collapses, which is positioned better, Boise or WSU?

 

[Stormin]

Mid-week games are bad for attendance, bad for ticket sales, and bad for tailgating.

That will tank season ticket sales. A steady diet f Wednesday night games.

 

[Gonzo]

You forgot BYU and Cincinnati…and the answer is a VERY clear yes. There’s a great analysis out there showing average rankings per conference and the Big 12 in that new configuration was better than both the ACC and PAC. So it’s not a matter of opinion, it’s a documentable fact.

It's a documentable fact that had Cincy, UCF, Boise, BYU been playing in a reconfigured Big 12 for the past three years they all would have finished ranked?

 

[Cyclones1969]

Interesting.
Do you think there are teams every year that lose more games because of a more difficult schedule that are more irrelevant than those that win? Would you rather be Cincy last year or Vandy?

When the Pac12 collapses, which is positioned better, Boise or WSU?

Do you think the Cincinnati ad would rather cash aac paychecks or sec paychecks?

 

[Cyclones1969]

It's a documentable fact that had Cincy, UCF, Boise, BYU been playing in a reconfigured Big 12 for the past three years they all would have finished ranked?

It’s such a bad argument. They all benefit from playing teams that are not p5.

these Guys actually have me agreeing with a hawk fan. Wow

 

[Gonzo]

It’s such a bad argument. They all benefit from playing teams that are not p5.

these Guys actually have me agreeing with a hawk fan. Wow

I think the worst case scenario of bringing those teams in and sticking together as a new Big 12 isn't the apocalypse. It would suck for ISU, but it wouldn't relegate the league to AAC level. I just think trying to say it would be better than the Pac 12 or ACC most years is pure delusion. And yes, using those teams' rankings as top dogs in their G5 conferences as some sort of proof that they'd have ended up ranked if playing in the Big 12 is just silly.

 

[Stormin]

Interesting.
Do you think there are teams every year that lose more games because of a more difficult schedule that are more irrelevant than those that win? Would you rather be Cincy last year or Vandy?

When the Pac12 collapses, which is positioned better, Boise or WSU?

Cincinnati went undefeated in the regular season and could not even make the Playoffs. Vandy sucks. But at least Vandy isn’t pumping $32.9 million per year to subsidize their Athletic Department.

Cincinnati $32.9 Million Short. Vandy at least might get better. Cincinnati is broker than broke. So I would rather be Vandy.

In the Red: UC gave athletic department $32.9 million to cover deficit, create “surplus”

In April 2020, the University of Cincinnati's (UC) Athletic Director John Cunningham announced the university would discontinue the men's soccer program.

www.newsrecord.org

And here is an older article that shows that Cincinnati Athletic Department is a financial disaster. Their epic deficits happen every year.

Soaring subsidies: UC’s four-year athletic deficit up to nearly $102 million

In February 2014, then-University of Cincinnati President Santa Ono announced that he had chosen Mike Bohn as the school’s new athletic director.

www.newsrecord.org

 

[CloneJD]

What a pointless pissing match in here. If anyone has a spot in in a power conference they are going to take it. If no one does we’ll expand and take our ‘haircut’. You guys need some hobbies, girlfriends or something.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I just think trying to say it would be better than the Pac 12 or ACC most years is pure delusion.

BYU and Boise State, on the field, are better than the median Pac-12 program.

Cincinnati and UCF, on the field, are better than the median ACC program.

Those teams aren’t in those leagues because of $$$ and markets (and BYU’s unique situation), not because their teams aren’t good enough.

I could be wrong about this Big 12 being on the Pac/ACC’s level but it’s certainly not delusional to think so based on the data. The leagues are likely to be comparable top to bottom - it’s just that most observers don’t pay much attention outside of the very top, and that’s where Clemson will come into play.

 

[Gonzo]

BYU and Boise State, on the field, are better than the median Pac-12 program.

Cincinnati and UCF, on the field, are better than the median ACC program.

Those teams aren’t in those leagues because of $$$ and markets (and BYU’s unique situation), not because their teams aren’t good enough.

I could be wrong about this Big 12 being on the Pac/ACC’s level but it’s certainly not delusional to think so based on the data. The leagues are likely to be comparable top to bottom - it’s just that most observers don’t pay much attention outside of the very top, and that’s where Clemson will come into play.

Do you agree that using those teams final rankings the past three years as some sort of proof that they'd have finished ranked if playing in a new Big 12 makes zero sense?

 

[Mesaclone1]

It's a documentable fact that had Cincy, UCF, Boise, BYU been playing in a reconfigured Big 12 for the past three years they all would have finished ranked?

It’s documented that they ARE ranked…and that the rankings take into account factors like difficulty of schedule.

 

[Gonzo]

What a pointless pissing match in here. If anyone has a spot in in a power conference they are going to take it. If no one does we’ll expand and take our ‘haircut’. You guys need some hobbies, girlfriends or something.

Says the guy who takes the time to chime in on the pointless pissing match. Lol.

 

[Gonzo]

It’s documented that they ARE ranked…and that the rankings take into account factors like difficulty of schedule.

Yeah, so you were wrong to say that there's documentable proof that they would have all finished ranked if playing in a new Big 12.

 

[Mesaclone1]

It’s such a bad argument. They all benefit from playing teams that are not p5.

these Guys actually have me agreeing with a hawk fan. Wow

Yes, and Iowa benefits from playing weak B1G teams that are P5.

 

[cycloneG]

BYU is 6-15 against the PAC-12 all-time.

Boise St. is 1-5 against Washington St. all-time.

 

[Gonzo]

Yes, and Iowa benefits from playing weak B1G teams that are P5.

You should take a breather.

 

[Mesaclone1]

Yeah, so you were wrong to say that there's documentable proof that they would have all finished ranked if playing in a new Big 12.

No. I was spot on. Further, Cincinnati’s SOS was greater than Iowa’s last season…so they’d have been even better had they played Iowa’s easier schedule.

 

[Mesaclone1]

You should take a breather.

No need, it’s minimal effort knocking down the idiocies from yourself and 1969.

 

[Gonzo]

No. I was spot on. Further, Cincinnati’s SOS was greater than Iowa’s last season…so they’d have been even better had they played Iowa’s easier schedule.

Iowa's SOS last year was #43. Cincy's SOS last year was #91.

College football team ratings - 2020 - Jeff Sagarin Ratings

College football team-by-team ratings for the 2020 season as calculated by the computer rating system created by Jeff Sagarin.

sagarin.usatoday.com

Breathe dude.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Do you agree that using those teams final rankings the past three years as some sort of proof that they'd have finished ranked if playing in a new Big 12 makes zero sense?

No. It’s not apples to apples but it’s at least illustrative. Being ranked is usually a sign you are better than teams that aren’t ranked. That’s the whole point. It’s not perfect though.

If I had the inclination I’d compare their SP+ rankings or some other advanced metric. I imagine we will see that whenever invites get sent out.