Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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I'm wondering if that has to do with the Cities - a metro more highly and densely populated than anything in Iowa. If so, another factor as to why it can vary from state to state.

It could.

But again, Iowa has quite a few more confirmed cases and has for several weeks.
 

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They've clearly been doing a gawd awful job up there.

Seriously, the point you make is the same one I've been beating the drum on which is at the end of the day, there is only so much that can be done and the reality is the virus will win in any scenario.
Yet, it's baffling that so many don't realize it.
 

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Where did you get the LTC death percentages? I would be curious to see that.


Yeah, I can't find it in Iowa, but as of a couple weeks ago the LTC deaths were reported as 40-45% of the deaths in Iowa by the Governor. Minnesota also has 15% of their cases being LTC, that would mean that very few of 85% of non LTC people are dying from this which seems very low.
 

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For the record, I don't think Minnesota is mishandling this. I respect Tim Walz, generally agree with him politically, and I think he's a markedly better leader than Kim Reynolds.

But I do think that there's more negative attention being put on Iowa simply because of the governor's political affiliation.

At the end of the day, the most important stat is deaths, and Iowa (so far) isn't outpacing our peers on that front.
 

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For the record, I don't think Minnesota is mishandling this. I respect Tim Walz, generally agree with him politically, and I think he's a markedly better leader than Kim Reynolds.

But I do think that there's more negative attention being put on Iowa simply because of the governor's political affiliation.

At the end of the day, the most important stat is deaths, and Iowa (so far) isn't outpacing our peers on that front.


I have very similar opinions about this virus outbreak and response as you. Too many people are wanting to politicize it and feel their party needs to win. I don't give a rip what party they are affiliated with, just want them to make the best choices possible, and understand that it is a lot harder to make decisions about things nobody knows anything about.
 

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Yeah, I can't find it in Iowa, but as of a couple weeks ago the LTC deaths were reported as 40-45% of the deaths in Iowa by the Governor. Minnesota also has 15% of their cases being LTC, that would mean that very few of 85% of non LTC people are dying from this which seems very low.

This is from last week in Minnesota.

"State figures show nearly 80 percent of known COVID deaths take place in long-term care"

https://www.twincities.com/2020/04/...ers-rise-a-call-for-more-coronavirus-testing/
 

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LOL. Most of my friends, family, and neighbors look like those folks and their average net worth would make most posters on this board look like peasants.

All hat and no cattle. The people who look wealthy are likely leveraged to the hilt, while the regular guy with an old beater could have a million bucks in the bank. Lol. I knew a guy in our local investment club and he was very frugal still using coupons up until his death. Apparently he was worth well north of $3 million. Probably could have spent a little more but didn't feel the need.
 

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Iowa isn’t doing very well at cases per capita. But better than most at deaths per capita (so far). Somewhat puzzling
I think that this means we really aren’t doing bad per capita compared to other states. Especially when you consider Iowa’s demographics make it more likely we will do bad with deaths.
 

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This is from last week in Minnesota.

"State figures show nearly 80 percent of known COVID deaths take place in long-term care"

https://www.twincities.com/2020/04/...ers-rise-a-call-for-more-coronavirus-testing/

Thanks. It seems that Iowa is doing a lot better job of controlling the care center exposure then. If Minnesota has a higher per capita of deaths and they are 80% in LTC (that would be 388 in care centers) Iowa has a total of 219, so using the one posters numbers of 15% that would be roughly 33 care center deaths. Minnesota's Governor needs to find a new LTC coordinatior (or who ever oversees that department in MN)
 

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Minnesota now has 485 deaths to Iowa's 219. This is (well) more than twice as much, and Minnesota doesn't have twice Iowa's population.

While I think their Governor has a done a better job of laying out his response, I think this stat drives home the reality that at the end of the day, there's only so much those government reactions can do to stop this.

The greater lesson is to be more prepared for round 2 with tests, PPE, and ventilators.

Tim Walz saying the magic words didn't really save any more lives.

If you really value your health don't go on a ventilators. Use a hyperbaric chamber instead if really needing oxygen.
 
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All hat and no cattle. The people who look wealthy are likely leveraged to the hilt, while the regular guy with an old beater could have a million bucks in the bank. Lol. I knew a guy in our local investment club and he was very frugal still using coupons up until his death. Apparently he was worth well north of $3 million. Probably could have spent a little more but didn't feel the need.

What's the point of being wealthy when you die? Work your ass off so you can die and leave all your hard work to someone else, no thanks. I'll enjoy what I earn while I can enjoy it.
 

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I am not a huge fan of Rachel Maddow, but my point of posting this video is more focused on the Perry, Iowa discussion. I had no idea this happened. How in the world can Tyson say 'no we aren't giving those numbers to you, Mr. Mayor of Perry until we hit 10%'. Then when they do hit 10% it's found that 58% of employees have tested positive. Good lord.

Watch this from beginning until around 8:00 mark.

 

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I am not a huge fan of Rachel Maddow, but my point of posting this video is more focused on the Perry, Iowa discussion. I had no idea this happened. How in the world can Tyson say 'no we aren't giving those numbers to you, Mr. Mayor of Perry until we hit 10%'. Then when they do hit 10% it's found that 58% of employees have tested positive. Good lord.

Watch this from beginning until around 8:00 mark.



I never bought Tyson before and they're only giving me more incentive to continue that.
 
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Iowa isn’t doing very well at cases per capita. But better than most at deaths per capita (so far). Somewhat puzzling

Right. That's what is odd to me. We have a lot of confirmed cases per capita, but they aren't dying as much as other places.

My theory is that this is because a significant percentage of our cases are coming out of packing plants, and the typical packing plant worker is probably relatively robust, and not that old. Minnesota may have more infected vulnerable people.
 
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Iowa isn’t doing very well at cases per capita. But better than most at deaths per capita (so far). Somewhat puzzling

I haven't looked at MN's demographic information specifically, but Iowa seemingly has an unusually large percentage of younger people infected, which would lead to lower death rates. Specifically Iowa is up to 81% of cases on people younger than 60yo - likely because of the hot spot of industry rather than care centers
 
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