Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[clonechemist]

State of New York has pulled back completely from the antibody tests due to the tests not being able to accurately show whether the antibodies are from COVID 19 or a previous COVID infection (common cold) or whether the person even has sufficient antibodies to prevent reinfection down the road...

https://www.politico.com/states/new...ts-on-cuomos-hope-of-immunity-testing-1282219

It’s not accurate to say NY has ‘pulled back completely’ from antibody testing, it’s simply the case that they have stepped back from suggesting the antibody test could be useful for ‘guaranteeing’ that any particular *individual* is immune. I think that’s fair and it’s an important distinction. I can’t speak specifically to the NY antibody test (I haven’t reviewed specificity and sensitivity data for the NY test, not even sure if it’s been released), but the NY antibody testing on a *population level* seems to agree with other independent data such as local fatality #’s, so it’s probably pretty accurate and thus useful for assessing how widely the virus has spread in a given population.

Coming back to another point, it is still a good bet that having antibodies against covid 19 does confer at lest some immunity (there is lots of emerging data consistent with this). But there is a leap from saying ‘yeah, we know this specific antibody prevents coronavirus replication in a lab setting’ to using antibody test results to tell an individual ‘yeah, you’re definitely immune and should feel free to go about your life without any restrictions’. So when WHO and NY come out and say ‘there’s no evidence this antibody test will tell you you’re immune’, that just means that they don’t have enough data yet to provide medical advice. It does NOT mean that covid 19 is uniquely resistant to development of immunity (again, all emerging data I’ve seen suggests many/most people who recover will have some significant immunity).

 

[Al_4_State]

She should be, not to the rural Iowans.

I've seen a lot of people who I know tend to vote Republican being pissed at Reynolds.

Whether or not that translates to anything in two years is a different question. But she doesn't have the cult-like loyalty that Trump has.

 

[DSMCy]

Lifting restrictions won't get people out for large numbers of people. I don't think the 20-25% of people who want the restrictions lifted are going to make a huge economic impact. I'm curious - what occupation do you friends have that you expect a switch to flip and they can go back to full income on Friday?

This is terrible to say and very superficial, but have you seen pictures of the people protesting?
You think those people have money to spend once things open up?

I don't think this is much of a leap to assume the majority of us that are taking this serious are also the ones that are saving every penny.

 

[Al_4_State]

100% accurate. Sure, there will be enough idiots that will drop their guard and go about their daily life but the majority of people will still be cautious. People actually believe that a switch is going to flip and business will thrive, which blows my mind.

Not to mention the effect of the lost income already. Even people who might want to go back to "normal" won't be financially able to do so. Which will in turn create more slow down.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I've seen a lot of people who I know tend to vote Republican being pissed at Reynolds.

Whether or not that translates to anything in two years is a different question. But she doesn't have the cult-like loyalty that Trump has.

that’s today. And it’s completely driven by economics. Don’t be surprised to see another fed farm bailout this summer.

In 2 years, the new normal will be accepted, and the driving forces will once again prevail.

 

[ArgentCy]

Only 293 cases today but 12 deaths

Deaths will be the last data point to peak and lag everything else.

 

[wxman1]

No presser due to the White House meeting.

She is taking a private plane via campaign funds. Probably this Challenger 350

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/LXJ586/history/20200506/1230Z/KDSM/KIAD

 

[NorthCyd]

Approved because of a relaxing of regulations. Approved doesn't mean as much right now. Just look at how the market is being flooded with bad antibody tests. The fact is Utah has shown these tests look like they are producing a lot of false negatives.
The state lab is testing the effectiveness of the machines the tests run through and not the actual accuracy of the tests as far as I know.

I read that article about the tests in Utah and it is a long way from proving anything about those tests. There are plenty of reasons that could explain the discrepancy between positive tests that don't involve the tests being faulty. If memory serves there was something like a 2% difference. I would contend if that was due to the tests being faulty they would have to fail at such a high rate they wouldn't pass any quality assurance anywhere. The testing in India found the tests to be 100% accurate detecting people who had the virus.

 

[madguy30]

This is terrible to say and very superficial, but have you seen pictures of the people protesting?
You think those people have money to spend once things open up?

I don't think this is much of a leap to assume the majority of us that are taking this serious are also the ones that are saving every penny.

They had money to get to the protesting sites, they had money for their guns (at some point), they had money for all of their flags, posters and designer cammo and 'murica-themed clothing, they had money they want to continue donating only within the church walls.

So I can assume they're responsible enough financially to be able to support local businesses and tip the servers very, very well.

 

[madguy30]

It’s not accurate to say NY has ‘pulled back completely’ from antibody testing, it’s simply the case that they have stepped back from suggesting the antibody test could be useful for ‘guaranteeing’ that any particular *individual* is immune. I think that’s fair and it’s an important distinction. I can’t speak specifically to the NY antibody test (I haven’t reviewed specificity and sensitivity data for the NY test, not even sure if it’s been released), but the NY antibody testing on a *population level* seems to agree with other independent data such as local fatality #’s, so it’s probably pretty accurate and thus useful for assessing how widely the virus has spread in a given population.

Coming back to another point, it is still a good bet that having antibodies against covid 19 does confer at lest some immunity (there is lots of emerging data consistent with this). But there is a leap from saying ‘yeah, we know this specific antibody prevents coronavirus replication in a lab setting’ to using antibody test results to tell an individual ‘yeah, you’re definitely immune and should feel free to go about your life without any restrictions’. So when WHO and NY come out and say ‘there’s no evidence this antibody test will tell you you’re immune’, that just means that they don’t have enough data yet to provide medical advice. It does NOT mean that covid 19 is uniquely resistant to development of immunity (again, all emerging data I’ve seen suggests many/most people who recover will have some significant immunity).

If there weren't some form of immunity or protection, wouldn't confirmed cases be much higher as people continually got reinfected? Like, couldn't it then just keep recirculating around households and workplaces?

 

[DeereClone]

This is terrible to say and very superficial, but have you seen pictures of the people protesting?
You think those people have money to spend once things open up?

I don't think this is much of a leap to assume the majority of us that are taking this serious are also the ones that are saving every penny.

LOL. Most of my friends, family, and neighbors look like those folks and their average net worth would make most posters on this board look like peasants.

 

[dahliaclone]

Only 293 cases today but 12 deaths

How bad is it now when you have to say ONLY 293 cases. Sheesh.

 

[jsb]

Only 293 cases today but 12 deaths

around 2300 negatives. So tests down.

 

[dahliaclone]

100% accurate. Sure, there will be enough idiots that will drop their guard and go about their daily life but the majority of people will still be cautious. People actually believe that a switch is going to flip and business will thrive, which blows my mind.

I keep telling people this and it doesn't stick with them...they don't get it. Blows my mind.

 

[Trice]

For the Workday thing I would be shocked if it is remotely on schedule. I know that the current implementation at DOT and Iowa State has gone horribly. I think at the end of the day something like it is long overdue but how they got there is really questionable.

I think you are correct in all of this, and "questionable" is putting it mildly. The state's entire relationship with Workday, or perhaps more specifically the people who facilitated it, are shady.

 

[isufbcurt]

I just drove by the Test Iowa site at Wells Fargo Arena and there were no one there getting tested. The workers all looked bored.

 

[Urbandale2013]

I think you are correct in all of this, and "questionable" is putting it mildly. The state's entire relationship with Workday, or perhaps more specifically the people who facilitated it, are shady.

I left it at questionable because I actually think there’s a decent possibility that Workday would have been the choice even if they did competitively bid it. Also my understanding is it wasn’t technically a no bid contract even if it really was.

That said you are right how they got there is shady as ****.

 

[Cyched]

LOL. Most of my friends, family, and neighbors look like those folks and their average net worth would make most posters on this board look like peasants.

Might as well post your net worth then

 

[GrappleCy]

I do wonder if this wee

100% accurate. Sure, there will be enough idiots that will drop their guard and go about their daily life but the majority of people will still be cautious. People actually believe that a switch is going to flip and business will thrive, which blows my mind.

I'm wondering what'll happen this coming weekend. Will more people decide to venture out to sit in restaurants and stuff? The same group of people? Or will fewer come out after getting the novelty out of the way and maybe deciding it isn't worth continuing for now?

 

[CascadeClone]

100% accurate. Sure, there will be enough idiots that will drop their guard and go about their daily life but the majority of people will still be cautious. People actually believe that a switch is going to flip and business will thrive, which blows my mind.

Beyond that, a lot of people have been financially damaged/scarred by this, and will basically give up to some extent.

Get ready for the new normal: 15% unemployment (higher among under 30s), combined with reduced GDP and soaring government debt. Read up on your Greek, Italian, and Spanish recent economic history, because that's where we are headed. The solutions are hard, and neither party has any interest in promoting or pursuing them.