Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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BCClone

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Not exactly sure.
Some lady on the news was upset that Pence wasn’t wearing a mask and going on about it..............while standing outside the business without a mask.
 

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The "backside" slope of their fitted curve was never reasonable - even when ignoring that any social distancing and restrictions would naturally be eased once it was perceived as being "past the peak". My biggest issue is their "uncertainty" area going to zero along with cases/deaths. That's just bad presentation.
You may be correct about the backside of the curve, but the upside was so accurate nationally that I'm waiting to see it pan out before claiming it's wrong. And if you recall I'm referencing that very first IHME forecast.
 

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We are delaying our late May fishing trip. Our county in Iowa has 1000 times more cases than the county we go to in Minnesota. The hospital situation in Northern Minnesota is not as good as here. Probably will try a fall trip.

I am from the top tier of counties in Iowa. The county cases are anywhere from 1-3 in mine and most of the counties that I can recall in that line. The three counties on the MN side that would border mine and the adjoining Iowa counties all are in the 30s last I checked, I think one is into the 40s also. They have been at that level for awhile. Odd that a few miles makes that much difference.
 

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I am from the top tier of counties in Iowa. The county cases are anywhere from 1-3 in mine and most of the counties that I can recall in that line. The three counties on the MN side that would border mine and the adjoining Iowa counties all are in the 30s last I checked, I think one is into the 40s also. They have been at that level for awhile. Odd that a few miles makes that much difference.

Not odd at all when you consider they have an interstate running through them
 

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Finding out where immunity is would also help if antibody tests become more reliable and accessible. How many antibodies are needed for protection, for how long, etc.

I'm not sure how they study that--do people who've recovered volunteer to be infected again to see if there's protection?
State of New York has pulled back completely from the antibody tests due to the tests not being able to accurately show whether the antibodies are from COVID 19 or a previous COVID infection (common cold) or whether the person even has sufficient antibodies to prevent reinfection down the road...

https://www.politico.com/states/new...ts-on-cuomos-hope-of-immunity-testing-1282219
 

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Reynolds is going to end up being one of the most unpopular governors in the country when this is all done.
 

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State of New York has pulled back completely from the antibody tests due to the tests not being able to accurately show whether the antibodies are from COVID 19 or a previous COVID infection (common cold) or whether the person even has sufficient antibodies to prevent reinfection down the road...

https://www.politico.com/states/new...ts-on-cuomos-hope-of-immunity-testing-1282219

Yeah there's some other company that's found them to be 99% accurate lately that's supposed to start distributing them but I'm not sure where that ended up.

If there's no immunity then I guess the vaccine trials and plasma donations to treat people with antibodies should stop?
 

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really? What would you do different?

Justifying what's actually driving the decisions would be a good start. Having some form of oversight on places like meat packing plants.

Her response has been similar to the federal level.
 

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Reynolds is going to end up being one of the most unpopular governors in the country when this is all done.

She's going to to DC to rally the troops with Trump for a reason... If she was going out there on Iowa business she sure as sh!t wouldn't be paying for the trip out of her campaign funds. I'm actually surprised this hasn't gotten more run within the Iowa media.
 

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really? What would you do different?

I posted a version of this yesterday - but I think it's clear.

Leaving the politics side out of it (there's much to critique there), she should lead by example and use data driven metrics to make decisions. She is either not doing this or not fully explaining the metrics for how decisions are being made. I would make very clear what data is being used to "shut down" and "open up" and realize that headlines and perception are the most important things. People need to be told that this is a dangerous disease and will be affecting our lives for a long time to come and clearly told and shown how we should all deal with it - being told we don't need to stay at home and that we just need to "live with it" is the wrong message in my opinion

And she has been entirely reactive in her response. There has been no apparent attempt to proactively cut off potential hot spots like meat packing plants and care facilities.

And she decided not to use the testing capability at our universities and instead outsource it to a startup from Utah with no track record on a no-bid contract at the suggestion of an actor.
 

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Reynolds is definitely mismanaging things. She’s not being honest about her decision making process at all, and she needs to be far more aggressive in her oversight of the meat packing industry.

I think/hope she’s killing her tenure as governor.
 

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And she decided not to use the testing capability at our universities and instead outsource it to a startup from Utah with no track record on a no-bid contract at the suggestion of an actor.
What part of the university testing capabilities are you talking about? SHL, which is part of the U of I, is running the tests. Did you want them to manufacture the tests as well? I could be wrong, but I don't think they have that capability. We were going to have to the buy tests somewhere.

And everyone keeps bringing up no bid like its some kind of underhanded deal. There is no other option in this case unless you want to wait until the pandemic is over to respond. I doubt very much no bid means no oversight. I don't know for sure in this case, but every state contract I'm aware of has to get approval from some kind of board or commission. Maybe it is as simple as Kim whipping out her state of Iowa checkbook and cutting a check for millions, but I doubt it.
 

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What part of the university testing capabilities are you talking about? SHL, which is part of the U of I, is running the tests. Did you want them to manufacture the tests as well? I could be wrong, but I don't think they have that capability. We were going to have to the buy tests somewhere.

And everyone keeps bringing up no bid like its some kind of underhanded deal. There is no other option in this case unless you want to wait until the pandemic is over to respond. I doubt very much no bid means no oversight. I don't know for sure in this case, but every state contract I'm aware of has to get approval from some kind of board or commission. Maybe it is as simple as Kim whipping out her state of Iowa checkbook and cutting a check for millions, but I doubt it.

It is a horrible deal. The paid nearly 30 million dollars for a company to buy shoddy tests. I mean she didn't even know what was in the f'ing contract nor did they properly vet the company, the tests that there were going to use or their methods to ensure they were legit and worth the money.
 

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I posted a version of this yesterday - but I think it's clear.

Leaving the politics side out of it (there's much to critique there), she should lead by example and use data driven metrics to make decisions. She is either not doing this or not fully explaining the metrics for how decisions are being made. I would make very clear what data is being used to "shut down" and "open up" and realize that headlines and perception are the most important things. People need to be told that this is a dangerous disease and will be affecting our lives for a long time to come and clearly told and shown how we should all deal with it - being told we don't need to stay at home and that we just need to "live with it" is the wrong message in my opinion

And she has been entirely reactive in her response. There has been no apparent attempt to proactively cut off potential hot spots like meat packing plants and care facilities.

And she decided not to use the testing capability at our universities and instead outsource it to a startup from Utah with no track record on a no-bid contract at the suggestion of an actor.

And yet our death rate has been low with high testing in relation to other places
 
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