Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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Hong Kong population density: 17,552 people per square mile

US population density: 87 people per square mile

While Hong Kong certainly has a lesson in it, let's not pretend it's even a little like the US.
New York 27k/sq m. Lessons are legit.
 
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What is the definition of a 'destroyed economy'? How would those here define it?

Obviously things will be bad if this lasts through summer (a likely, if not probable, scenario).

But how many functions of our economy will not come out okay from that? In Iowa, we won't be spending money on movie theaters, at malls, etc. I think there will be a lot of people impacted (see the Fed's 30% unemployment forecast). But after the summer hopefully things can pick back up and weather any additional peaks in cases, like one we'll likely see in fall.

I know it will be bad, but I tend to think economic impacts are overstated.

Pretty much all non-essential small businesses will be gone if they are forced to close for the entire summer. These places employ people and pay property taxes. There will be a pile of unemployed folks with no jobs available. Property tax base will dwindle, which will reduce the operating budget of any government entity. Public services will decrease. It becomes this entire vicious cycle that can take years to get out of.
 

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Question for those of us with teachers as spouses or are teachers. I don't expect school to reconvene for the year (my opinion) so what happens with teacher pay for the remainder of the year? I assume these these three weeks are paid until mid April, but then what?

It will depend on the district that you are employed by, but we were told last week when we met, that all staff, both certified and noncertified would be paid exactly like we are at work. If they feel best not to reopen the school, I would guess that we come in, finish giving grades to the work that we had when this started and we would be seeing you in the fall.

I spoke to another teacher from my school last night, she had spoken to our principal, and the principal also thought we were done for the year.
 
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It will depend on the district that you are employed by, but we were told last week when we met, that all staff, both certified and noncertified would be paid exactly like we are at work. If they feel best not to reopen the school, I would guess that we come in, finish giving finals grades to the work that we had when this was started and we would be seeing you in the fall.

I spoke to another teacher from my school last night, she had spoken to our principle, and the principle also thought we were done for the year.


Don’t forget the principal is your pal. (I realize it was likely a typo and you know how to spell it ;) )
 

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I know this is not critical, but any idea how this will effect tax returns in Iowa. Normally they take up to 8 weeks to avoid fraud, but I thought the state may expedite things since people could use the money and with the filing deadline being extended, maybe the flow will be slowed down a bit to allow for faster returns.
 

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Finally, on an agriculture-related webinar now: "we need to say 'physical distancing' not 'social distancing' because we need to stay connected socially with each other, our co-workers, friends and neighbors."

Wish whoever coined that phrase would have thought through the impression it makes on people. Or maybe I think differently because I'm a words person. I still ask what it means when people on "social media" aren't really social/sociable.

Seriously that is what you are worried about?
 
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I know this is not critical, but any idea how this will effect tax returns in Iowa. Normally they take up to 8 weeks to avoid fraud, but I thought the state may expedite things since people could use the money and with the filing deadline being extended, maybe the flow will be slowed down a bit to allow for faster returns.

It isn't to avoid fraud. It's because the state doesn't have the money to keep up with tax refunds until new tax payments come in. So this situation surely will not help.

Previous timing was somewhere around 4-5 weeks, if I recall correctly from the tax thread. I'm due for mine in two weeks and have the same question as you.
 
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Saw this posted on Facebook, it does make a lot of sense, at least to me.


I talked with a man today, an 80+ year old man. I asked him if there was anything I can get him while this Coronavirus scare was gripping America.
He simply smiled, looked away and said:
"Let me tell you what I need! I need to believe, at some point, this country my generation fought for... I need to believe this nation we handed safely to our children and their children...
I need to know this generation will quit being a bunch of sissies...that they respect what they've been given...that they've earned what others sacrificed for."
I wasn't sure where the conversation was going or if it was going anywhere at all. So, I sat there, quietly observing.
"You know, I was a little boy during WWII. Those were scary days. We didn't know if we were going to be speaking English, German or Japanese at the end of the war. There was no certainty, no guarantees like Americans enjoy today.
And no home went without sacrifice or loss. Every house, up and down every street, had someone in harm's way. Maybe their Daddy was a soldier, maybe their son was a sailor, maybe it was an uncle. Sometimes it was the whole damn family...fathers, sons, uncles...
Having someone, you love, sent off to war...it wasn't less frightening than it is today. It was scary as Hell. If anything, it was more frightening. We didn't have battle front news. We didn't have email or cellphones. You sent them away and you hoped...you prayed. You may not hear from them for months, if ever. Sometimes a mother was getting her son's letters the same day Dad was comforting her over their child's death.
And we sacrificed. You couldn't buy things. Everything was rationed. You were only allowed so much milk per month, only so much bread, toilet paper. EVERYTHING was restricted for the war effort. And what you weren't using, what you didn't need, things you threw away, they were saved and sorted for the war effort. My generation was the original recycling movement in America.
And we had viruses back then...serious viruses. Things like polio, measles, and such. It was nothing to walk to school and pass a house or two that was quarantined. We didn't shut down our schools. We didn't shut down our cities. We carried on, without masks, without hand sanitizer. And do you know what? We persevered. We overcame. We didn't attack our President, we came together. We rallied around the flag for the war. Thick or thin, we were in it to win. And we would lose more boys in an hour of combat than we lose in entire wars today."
He slowly looked away again. Maybe I saw a small tear in the corner of his eye. Then he continued:
"Today's kids don't know sacrifice. They think a sacrifice is not having coverage on their phone while they freely drive across the country. Today's kids are selfish and spoiled. In my generation, we looked out for our elders. We helped out with single moms who's husbands were either at war or dead from war. Today's kids rush the store, buying everything they can...no concern for anyone but themselves. It's shameful the way Americans behave these days. None of them deserve the sacrifices their granddads made.
So, no I don't need anything. I appreciate your offer but, I know I've been through worse things than this virus. But maybe I should be asking you, what can I do to help you? Do you have enough pop to get through this, enough steak? Will you be able to survive with 113 channels on your tv?"
I smiled, fighting back a tear of my own...now humbled by a man in his 80's. All I could do was thank him for the history lesson, leave my number for emergency and leave with my ego firmly tucked in my rear.
I talked to a man today. A real man. An American man from an era long gone and forgotten. We will never understand the sacrifices. We will never fully earn their sacrifices. But we should work harder to learn about them. Learn from them...to respect them.
 

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Saw this posted on Facebook, it does make a lot of sense, at least to me.


I talked with a man today, an 80+ year old man. I asked him if there was anything I can get him while this Coronavirus scare was gripping America.
He simply smiled, looked away and said:
"Let me tell you what I need! I need to believe, at some point, this country my generation fought for... I need to believe this nation we handed safely to our children and their children...
I need to know this generation will quit being a bunch of sissies...that they respect what they've been given...that they've earned what others sacrificed for."
I wasn't sure where the conversation was going or if it was going anywhere at all. So, I sat there, quietly observing.
"You know, I was a little boy during WWII. Those were scary days. We didn't know if we were going to be speaking English, German or Japanese at the end of the war. There was no certainty, no guarantees like Americans enjoy today.
And no home went without sacrifice or loss. Every house, up and down every street, had someone in harm's way. Maybe their Daddy was a soldier, maybe their son was a sailor, maybe it was an uncle. Sometimes it was the whole damn family...fathers, sons, uncles...
Having someone, you love, sent off to war...it wasn't less frightening than it is today. It was scary as Hell. If anything, it was more frightening. We didn't have battle front news. We didn't have email or cellphones. You sent them away and you hoped...you prayed. You may not hear from them for months, if ever. Sometimes a mother was getting her son's letters the same day Dad was comforting her over their child's death.
And we sacrificed. You couldn't buy things. Everything was rationed. You were only allowed so much milk per month, only so much bread, toilet paper. EVERYTHING was restricted for the war effort. And what you weren't using, what you didn't need, things you threw away, they were saved and sorted for the war effort. My generation was the original recycling movement in America.
And we had viruses back then...serious viruses. Things like polio, measles, and such. It was nothing to walk to school and pass a house or two that was quarantined. We didn't shut down our schools. We didn't shut down our cities. We carried on, without masks, without hand sanitizer. And do you know what? We persevered. We overcame. We didn't attack our President, we came together. We rallied around the flag for the war. Thick or thin, we were in it to win. And we would lose more boys in an hour of combat than we lose in entire wars today."
He slowly looked away again. Maybe I saw a small tear in the corner of his eye. Then he continued:
"Today's kids don't know sacrifice. They think a sacrifice is not having coverage on their phone while they freely drive across the country. Today's kids are selfish and spoiled. In my generation, we looked out for our elders. We helped out with single moms who's husbands were either at war or dead from war. Today's kids rush the store, buying everything they can...no concern for anyone but themselves. It's shameful the way Americans behave these days. None of them deserve the sacrifices their granddads made.
So, no I don't need anything. I appreciate your offer but, I know I've been through worse things than this virus. But maybe I should be asking you, what can I do to help you? Do you have enough pop to get through this, enough steak? Will you be able to survive with 113 channels on your tv?"
I smiled, fighting back a tear of my own...now humbled by a man in his 80's. All I could do was thank him for the history lesson, leave my number for emergency and leave with my ego firmly tucked in my rear.
I talked to a man today. A real man. An American man from an era long gone and forgotten. We will never understand the sacrifices. We will never fully earn their sacrifices. But we should work harder to learn about them. Learn from them...to respect them.

Old people need to have some respect for themselves during this by staying home. Plenty of them just carrying about like their actions can't affect others.
 
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