Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[Statefan10]

https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Stay-at-home-order-issued-in-West-Virginia-569030791.html

West Virginia implementing staying at home for non-essential businesses. Extremely interesting considering they have the lowest amount of confirmed cases in the United States as of right now. They have 16 cases. We have 105.

With Wisconsin now doing the same thing, I would be surprised if Gov. Reynolds doesn't ramp up her stance a little bit. I'm not sure if she'll go for a full shut down but I'm guessing it'll be something more than what we're currently doing. I mean, she literally had a press conference 24 hours ago and not too many people were happy with what she said / what the state of Iowa is currently doing. I would be surprised if she got back on camera a day later and simply repeat the same thing she said yesterday.

 

[Urbandale2013]

https://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Stay-at-home-order-issued-in-West-Virginia-569030791.html

West Virginia implementing staying at home for non-essential businesses. Extremely interesting considering they have the lowest amount of confirmed cases in the United States as of right now. They have 16 cases. We have 105.

With Wisconsin now doing the same thing, I would be surprised if Gov. Reynolds doesn't ramp up her stance a little bit. I'm not sure if she'll go for a full shut down but I'm guessing it'll be something more than what we're currently doing. I mean, she literally had a press conference 24 hours ago and not too many people were happy with what she said / what the state of Iowa is currently doing. I would be surprised if she got back on camera a day later and simply repeat the same thing she said yesterday.

I just don’t get what these stay at home orders are supposed to do in places like Iowa. I’m in favor of trying to figure out how to crack down on idiots but am totally against a stay at home order.

 

[jsb]

I just don’t get what these stay at home orders are supposed to do in places like Iowa. I’m in favor of trying to figure out how to crack down on idiots but am totally against a stay at home order.

a stay at home order should close malls. That matters.

 

[simply1]

I just don’t get what these stay at home orders are supposed to do in places like Iowa. I’m in favor of trying to figure out how to crack down on idiots but am totally against a stay at home order.

Crack down on idiots how?

 

[Statefan10]

I just don’t get what these stay at home orders are supposed to do in places like Iowa. I’m in favor of trying to figure out how to crack down on idiots but am totally against a stay at home order.

From what I've read, the point for these things is to basically isolate yourself away from others to the point where you're not coming into contact with anyone for 2 weeks. By doing this, it limits the spread of the virus by quite a bit because you're not coming into contact with a ton of people. Obviously different places are going to look at this differently because their offices may not be as large or have a lot of people in it.

By limiting the spread, you limit the amount of people who get this virus that may need to be hospitalized. By limiting that number, your hospitals don't become overrun and you're able to treat the most critical patients.

I'm not sure if that's 100% how it works but that's sort of how I have been looking at it.

 

[SoapyCy]

Question for those of us with teachers as spouses or are teachers. I don't expect school to reconvene for the year (my opinion) so what happens with teacher pay for the remainder of the year? I assume these these three weeks are paid until mid April, but then what?

most districts voted to pay hourly staff. i don't know why they wouldn't make the same choice with certified staff. the budget was already set.

 

[Ms3r4ISU]

From what I've read, the point for these things is to basically isolate yourself away from others to the point where you're not coming into contact with anyone for 2 weeks. By doing this, it limits the spread of the virus by quite a bit because you're not coming into contact with a ton of people. Obviously different places are going to look at this differently because their offices may not be as large or have a lot of people in it.

By limiting the spread, you limit the amount of people who get this virus that may need to be hospitalized. By limiting that number, your hospitals don't become overrun and you're able to treat the most critical patients.

I'm not sure if that's 100% how it works but that's sort of how I have been looking at it.

Mostly, yes. But the current "stay at home" descriptions I've seen allow travel to necessary places like grocery stores and pharmacies.

 

[megamanxzero35]

From what I've read, the point for these things is to basically isolate yourself away from others to the point where you're not coming into contact with anyone for 2 weeks. By doing this, it limits the spread of the virus by quite a bit because you're not coming into contact with a ton of people. Obviously different places are going to look at this differently because their offices may not be as large or have a lot of people in it.

By limiting the spread, you limit the amount of people who get this virus that may need to be hospitalized. By limiting that number, your hospitals don't become overrun and you're able to treat the most critical patients.

I'm not sure if that's 100% how it works but that's sort of how I have been looking at it.

I believe part of the purpose as well is, everyone stay away from each other for 2 weeks, those that are sick will recover and can't spread, hope those that don't show symptoms but have it recover and can't spread. Trying to wipe out as much of the virus as possible so you can hopefully start over with containing it after 2 weeks.

 

[Statefan10]

Mostly, yes. But the current "stay at home" descriptions I've seen allow travel to necessary places like grocery stores and pharmacies.

Right, as those are deemed essential. Places like those absolutely cannot shut down, but tons of places are putting in efforts to limit the amount of people in those essential businesses as well.

You could go to those places though and come into contact with one or two people depending on if you're cautious or even if you just use self checkout. There are tons of businesses right now not doing anything or doing a limited amount to combat this. There's an employee at my work sick right now and we haven't even had a conversation about it. Lol for all I know he could have this virus and everyone in this office could be in the same boat as him.

 

[knowlesjam]

I believe part of the purpose as well is, everyone stay away from each other for 2 weeks, those that are sick will recover and can't spread, hope those that don't show symptoms but have it recover and can't spread. Trying to wipe out as much of the virus as possible so you can hopefully start over with containing it after 2 weeks.

Except 2 weeks isn't enough time to contain. Here is the lesson from Hong Kong...they now have shutdown schools, businesses, and government. All because they thought they had it under control after 3 weeks and eliminated some of the restrictions.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Max57]

There are companies that are already suing states for what is defined as "essential." Some examples that might be difficult to define: banking, trucking/transportation, mail, telecommunications, media, pubic works, governmental agencies, law firms, etc. You can find specifics in each of those that would be considered either essential or non-essential.

Do we spend time and legal avenues discussing/deciding this stuff?

 

[megamanxzero35]

Except 2 weeks isn't enough time to contain. Here is the lesson from Hong Kong...they now have shutdown schools, businesses, and government. All because they thought they had it under control after 3 weeks and eliminated some of the restrictions.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-quarantine-intl-hnk/index.html

I didn't really mean 2 weeks was enough time. I was just saying you use it like a reset switch to hopefully try and contain it better on your second attempt. Its still a virus. Extremely difficult to stop.

 

[Statefan10]

There are companies that are already suing states for what is defined as "essential." Some examples that might be difficult to define: banking, trucking/transportation, mail, telecommunications, media, pubic works, governmental agencies, law firms, etc. You can find specifics in each of those that would be considered either essential or non-essential.

Do we spend time and legal avenues discussing/deciding this stuff?

Yeah that's going to be interesting to see how those sort of things play out. There are tons of people out there who do not agree with shutting things down and the owners of lots of businesses are going to try and figure out how to exclaim their business is essential.

 

[Al_4_State]

a stay at home order should close malls. That matters.

Closing malls makes sense. Also, the vast majority of businesses in malls are non-essential, so a non-essential business shutdown should help with that.

Again, making it illegal for people to go outside of their house is stupid. People should be able to go outdoors in an isolated fashion. I've spent a lot of time outdoors the past week without coming into anyone's 6' radius.

 

[jsb]

Closing malls makes sense. Also, the vast majority of businesses in malls are non-essential, so a non-essential business shutdown should help with that.

Again, making it illegal for people to go outside of their house is stupid. People should be able to go outdoors in an isolated fashion. I've spent a lot of time outdoors the past week without coming into anyone's 6' radius.

no one is saying it would be illegal to leave your house.

 

[Al_4_State]

no one is saying it would be illegal to leave your house.

I kinda took that as the point of "shelter in place", so my apologies if I was wrong.

 

[jsb]

I kinda took that as the point of "shelter in place", so my apologies if I was wrong.

its basically just another layer to stay the hell at home.

 

[wxman1]

I kinda took that as the point of "shelter in place", so my apologies if I was wrong.

That's the fallout. It is best encouraged to stay home but hell I know people in the LA area who went flying in their plane or fishing on their boat yesterday.

 

[AuH2O]

Much better message from the Governor today. While yesterday's message was "if you are sick stay home," today's message has been "if you are not out doing essential work or doing essential tasks for your family, stay home, keep your kids home, and let your employees do whatever they can from home."

 

[jsb]

Much better message from the Governor today. While yesterday's message was "if you are sick stay home," today's message has been "if you are not out doing essential work or doing essential tasks for your family, stay home, keep your kids home, and let your employees do whatever they can from home."

Finally, it only took her a week to get here! The mixed message that you should really only seriously stay home if you are sick was ignorant and dangerous.