Big 12 Championship Game Projection

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From the website:

3. Scoring differential among the tied teams. The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration.​

I would say there is room for interpretation. Equally, I would say I think your first point is correct but your second point is not. It still seems to be an elimination criteria, not a winning criteria. Thus I believe that multiple teams can indeed be eliminated if they are tied for the worst. If 2 of the teams are -10 and the other team is +4 then both of the -10 teams are eliminated and the +4 team wins. I do not think that a +4 team wins over a -1 team and a -10 team. I believe then that the -10 team is eliminated from consideration and then head-to-head immediately takes over.
But again, it's written in a way that someone thought they were being deterministic but in reality it's still open to some interpretation.
..... Like if it involves Texas or Oklahoma, they automatically make it.
 

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God we could've had a decent chance with Texas and OU losing today but of course we lose too.

So we now officially control our own destiny right? We win out, we'd be in? Where as if we won today, we could've dropped one to either OU or Texas and be in?
 

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This loss was bad enough but the opportunity missed with what else went on in the Big XII is epic.

I just wanted to make sure everyone felt completely deflated and ******.

Have a nice night.
 
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Update after today's weird set of games:

Oklahoma: 88.8% (65.8% 1st, 23.0% 2nd)
Baylor: 69.7% (27.3% 1st, 42.4% 2nd)
Texas: 21.5% (2.2% 1st, 19.3% 2nd)
Iowa St.: 12.3% (3.4% 1st, 8.9% 2nd)
TCU: 3.4% (0.8% 1st, 2.6% 2nd)
Kansas St.: 2.8% (0.3% 1st, 2.5% 2nd)
Oklahoma St.: 1.4% (0.1% 1st, 1.3% 2nd)
West Virginia: 0.1% (0.0% 1st, 0.1% 2nd)
Kansas, Tech: Nope

Baylor/Oklahoma: 59.2%
Oklahoma/Texas: 18.2%
Iowa St./Oklahoma: 7.3%
Baylor/Iowa St.: 4.7%
Baylor/Texas: 2.9%
Oklahoma/TCU: 2.3%
Kansas St./Oklahoma: 1.5%
Baylor/Kansas St.: 1.2%
Baylor/Oklahoma St.: 1.0%

ISU record chances:
5-7: 1.0%
6-6: 14.9%
7-5: 41.6%
8-4: 36.1%
9-3: 6.3%

ISU odds of championship game at record:
7-5: 0.2%
8-4: 17.3%
9-3: 95.7%

This will change a little after Massey updates his team rankings tomorrow; probably biggest difference tomorrow is that Baylor's odds will go up even further.
 
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Update after today's weird set of games:

Oklahoma: 88.8% (65.8% 1st, 23.0% 2nd)
Baylor: 69.7% (27.3% 1st, 42.4% 2nd)
Texas: 21.5% (2.2% 1st, 19.3% 2nd)
Iowa St.: 12.3% (3.4% 1st, 8.9% 2nd)
TCU: 3.4% (0.8% 1st, 2.6% 2nd)
Kansas St.: 2.8% (0.3% 1st, 2.5% 2nd)
Oklahoma St.: 1.4% (0.1% 1st, 1.3% 2nd)
West Virginia: 0.1% (0.0% 1st, 0.1% 2nd)
Kansas, Tech: Nope

Baylor/Oklahoma: 59.2%
Oklahoma/Texas: 18.2%
Iowa St./Oklahoma: 7.3%
Baylor/Iowa St.: 4.7%
Baylor/Texas: 2.9%
Oklahoma/TCU: 2.3%
Kansas St./Oklahoma: 1.5%
Baylor/Kansas St.: 1.2%
Baylor/Oklahoma St.: 1.0%

ISU record chances:
5-7: 1.0%
6-6: 14.9%
7-5: 41.6%
8-4: 36.1%
9-3: 6.3%

ISU odds of championship game at record:
7-5: 0.2%
8-4: 17.3%
9-3: 95.7%

This will change a little after Massey updates his team rankings tomorrow; probably biggest difference tomorrow is that Baylor's odds will go up even further.


Because I enjoy torturing myself, can you run something if Iowa State was to win this past Saturday with the other results staying the same (OU/Texas losing)?
 
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thanks. One thing I don't understand. If ISU went 9-3 what scenario keeps them out of the championship game? I'm sure it's a tiebreaker somewhere I am just missing. Wouldn't we would have tiebreaker against TX, KSt, and OU in that scenario? Who am I missing?


Update after today's weird set of games:

Oklahoma: 88.8% (65.8% 1st, 23.0% 2nd)
Baylor: 69.7% (27.3% 1st, 42.4% 2nd)
Texas: 21.5% (2.2% 1st, 19.3% 2nd)
Iowa St.: 12.3% (3.4% 1st, 8.9% 2nd)
TCU: 3.4% (0.8% 1st, 2.6% 2nd)
Kansas St.: 2.8% (0.3% 1st, 2.5% 2nd)
Oklahoma St.: 1.4% (0.1% 1st, 1.3% 2nd)
West Virginia: 0.1% (0.0% 1st, 0.1% 2nd)
Kansas, Tech: Nope

Baylor/Oklahoma: 59.2%
Oklahoma/Texas: 18.2%
Iowa St./Oklahoma: 7.3%
Baylor/Iowa St.: 4.7%
Baylor/Texas: 2.9%
Oklahoma/TCU: 2.3%
Kansas St./Oklahoma: 1.5%
Baylor/Kansas St.: 1.2%
Baylor/Oklahoma St.: 1.0%

ISU record chances:
5-7: 1.0%
6-6: 14.9%
7-5: 41.6%
8-4: 36.1%
9-3: 6.3%

ISU odds of championship game at record:
7-5: 0.2%
8-4: 17.3%
9-3: 95.7%

This will change a little after Massey updates his team rankings tomorrow; probably biggest difference tomorrow is that Baylor's odds will go up even further.
 
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thanks. One thing I don't understand. If ISU went 9-3 what scenario keeps them out of the championship game? I'm sure it's a tiebreaker somewhere I am just missing. Wouldn't we would have tiebreaker against TX, KSt, and OU in that scenario? Who am I missing?
Ah. I think I figured it out. OSU could run the table and they would have tiebreaker over us.
 
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thanks. One thing I don't understand. If ISU went 9-3 what scenario keeps them out of the championship game? I'm sure it's a tiebreaker somewhere I am just missing. Wouldn't we would have tiebreaker against TX, KSt, and OU in that scenario? Who am I missing?

Some multi-team tiebreakers involving Baylor I assume?
 

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thanks. One thing I don't understand. If ISU went 9-3 what scenario keeps them out of the championship game? I'm sure it's a tiebreaker somewhere I am just missing. Wouldn't we would have tiebreaker against TX, KSt, and OU in that scenario? Who am I missing?

Eyeballing the data, all (or almost all) of the scenarios have ISU, OU, and Baylor in a three-way tie at 7-2 that's broken by points.
 

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I guess while we're at it, we could go the opposite way. ISU losing to OSU and the other favorites winning. Assuming that would've pretty much doomed us completely.

Down to ~5%. Only about a 65% chance of making the championship game even with going undefeated the rest of the way.
 

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Games that will most affect ISU's chances of making the Big 12 Championship. In short: cheer for TCU and against Baylor.

Iowa St. over Oklahoma: 38.8% (2.9% to 41.7%)
Iowa St. over Texas: 15.4% (2.3% to 17.7%)
Iowa St. over Kansas St.: 14.4% (4.0% to 18.4%)
Iowa St. over Kansas: 7.9% (4.3% to 12.2%)
West Virginia over Baylor: 4.5% (10.5% to 15.0%)
Texas over Baylor: 4.4% (9.6% to 14.0%)
Kansas over Baylor: 4.0% (10.5% to 14.5%)
TCU over Baylor: 3.6% (9.5% to 13.1%)
TCU over Oklahoma: 2.9% (11.1% to 14.0%)
TCU over Oklahoma St.: 2.8% (10.3% to 13.1%)

(Example: In the final game, ISU's chances if OSU wins are 10.3%, and ISU's chances if TCU wins are 13.1%, for a difference of 2.8%.)
 

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Update after today's weird set of games:

Oklahoma: 88.8% (65.8% 1st, 23.0% 2nd)
Baylor: 69.7% (27.3% 1st, 42.4% 2nd)
Texas: 21.5% (2.2% 1st, 19.3% 2nd)
Iowa St.: 12.3% (3.4% 1st, 8.9% 2nd)
TCU: 3.4% (0.8% 1st, 2.6% 2nd)
Kansas St.: 2.8% (0.3% 1st, 2.5% 2nd)
Oklahoma St.: 1.4% (0.1% 1st, 1.3% 2nd)
West Virginia: 0.1% (0.0% 1st, 0.1% 2nd)
Kansas, Tech: Nope

Baylor/Oklahoma: 59.2%
Oklahoma/Texas: 18.2%
Iowa St./Oklahoma: 7.3%
Baylor/Iowa St.: 4.7%
Baylor/Texas: 2.9%
Oklahoma/TCU: 2.3%
Kansas St./Oklahoma: 1.5%
Baylor/Kansas St.: 1.2%
Baylor/Oklahoma St.: 1.0%

ISU record chances:
5-7: 1.0%
6-6: 14.9%
7-5: 41.6%
8-4: 36.1%
9-3: 6.3%

ISU odds of championship game at record:
7-5: 0.2%
8-4: 17.3%
9-3: 95.7%

This will change a little after Massey updates his team rankings tomorrow; probably biggest difference tomorrow is that Baylor's odds will go up even further.
Although there must be some tiebreaker scenario that has us not making the championship game if we win out. However, if we win out, we are going to the Big 12 Championship game and we can absolutely win it when we get there. Saturday was a fluke. We don't lose again this year.
 

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@Dale even though we are out of it, I would enjoy seeing your stats about the possibilities of who else might be in . . . and how Baylor could choke.
 

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