hawks, post: 6852076, member: 15265"]Big 10 West is 8-1 the last two bowl seasons.[/QUOTE]
That's great, yet, like this year, and pretty much every year since its existence the Big 10 west is significantly behind the Big 12 in Sagarin. There's a fair argument to be made in a given year, or adjustment a couple of spots here and there, but for year after year for the Big 10 West to be significantly behind the Big12 has to mean something. If they were close, or we were talking about one or two years being heavily influenced by a game or two, that's one thing. But it's been consistent and significant.
You can't make the argument that the Big 10 west is or has been even close to as good as the Big 12 without saying that Sagarin has absolutely zero credibility. Not that "it has it's flaws", or that you don't think it's great. If you think the Big 10 is as good or close to as good since its inception as the Big 12 you literally are stating Sagarin is a far worse evaluation of the relative strength of power conferences/divisions than drawing them out of a hat.