You can't leave your Christmas presents alone...can you?
Don't shake the Tuco package...there's only coal in the that box.
Coach Messingham, I've seen both pluses and minuses ...
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Don't shake the Tuco package...there's only coal in the that box.
Also Mike Michalske (Iron Mike), ISU head football coach 1942-1947. He won three World Championships in 1929, 1930 and 1931 as a player for the Green Bay Packers. He was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1970.
I vote to get CYber in here too.
Is it like Betelgeuse, say any of their names 3 times and they appear? I'd do that for Roger
See post #56.
Also:
Pop Warner won national championships as head coach at Pitt in 1915, 1916 and 1918 and at Stanford in 1926.
By the way, you said previous coaching staffs.
Robert McFarland. He had some pretty decent offenses. It was the defense (Wayne Bolt) that was trash under Chizik. We usually scored some points and kept pace for a bit in those days.
Who here is "qualified" to give any kind of knowledgeable "take" on a college football coach? Come on.
When you hear CW say that Mess was lost and clueless then you kind of start to get an idea of how bad it really was...
Very few of us. But we all have eyes, and we all saw his garbage offense. Exactly how much of that was his fault is debatable but you can't argue the results.
And unqualified opinions are kind of a staple of these boards. Without them what would we talk about after every game?
My unqualified opinions are fact - your unqualified opinions are garbage.
It's hard to predict how Mess will do. As others have stated, his failure as an OC here was probably a result of many factors : Micromanagement, lack of talented players, inexperience, etc. People who commit to self-improvement (i.e. having a growth mindset) in their respective career, can get better - exponentially better in fact. I imagine Mess learned a LOT from his experience here - you have to in order to obtain a similar or better job. At NDSU, he served in the same capacity (job title-wise) as he did here. However, he was more experienced for sure, with more talent (unfortunately), and was in a proven system (so, it's hard to tell just how much play-calling "freedom" he had at NDSU - but it obviously may not have mattered). Anyway, I suspect that he is a much better coach now (and thus more prepared for a P5 OC job) than he was at ISU. Will that success be seen? Dana Altman (.339 Big 8 win%) and Greg McDermott are examples of "P5 rookie coach failures" who did much, much better in their second go-a-round. This could be true of Mess's KSU offense. Time will tell. We'll need to watch his play-calling ability and in-game adjustments, as well as his ability to recruit and develop players to fit his system in order to make a definitive judgment.
I was searching old articles and found this pair to be funny:
"Messingham Move (hire) was a 'No-Brainer' for Rhoads"
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2012/01/messingham-move-was-a-no-brainer-for-rhoads/
"Rhoads Relieves Messingham, Pope of Duties"
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2013/12/rhoads-relieves-messingham-pope-of-duties/
"Messingham Move (hire) was a 'No-Brainer' for Rhoads"
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2012/01/messingham-move-was-a-no-brainer-for-rhoads/
"Rhoads Relieves Messingham, Pope of Duties"
https://cyclonefanatic.com/2013/12/rhoads-relieves-messingham-pope-of-duties/
CycloneErik
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Had a buddy who played on the offensive side of the ball during those years. There were two coaches that he was happy were let go during his time on the team - Klenakis and Messingham.
