Which teams should leave FBS?

Die4Cy

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I think an audited athletic department proof of self sustainability should be a requirement for Power 5 football participation.

Schools that are having their departments subsidized by the state and continue to run deficits maintaining their programs really ought to consider if this rat race is for them.

The chase for big TV money is probably ending.
 

AuH2O

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This is a question more out of ingnorance, but how do most schools afford to field an FCS team? Surely most FCS football programs are not profitable, are they? I can see NDSU maybe, plus I have heard they get lots of donor cash. Obviously lots of schools get paid to play the big boys, but I'm not sure how stable that is going forward.
 

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This is a question more out of ingnorance, but how do most schools afford to field an FCS team? Surely most FCS football programs are not profitable, are they? I can see NDSU maybe, plus I have heard they get lots of donor cash. Obviously lots of schools get paid to play the big boys, but I'm not sure how stable that is going forward.

That's a really good question.

At the higher levels of FCS Football (Missouri Valley, CAA, Big Sky) its a real problem for schools. Football is hurting budgets AND vital to continuing the athletic department as a whole as football, MBB and, to an extent, volleyball are the only revenue sports.

Schools deal with it differently. For example, James Madison takes something like $50M in general fund and student fee money and has one of the smallest 'booster clubs' in the country and the university has decided that that is how they are going to fund it. NDSU gets big money from corporate sponsors (Sanford Health, Scheels, Gate City Bank) and has the highest ticket prices in the country. They've also put football ahead of all other sports and its really the only sport they are any good at at this point. Most schools use a hybrid system.

Its certainly something that schools are going to have to address going forward. UNI is raising record amounts of cash ($2.4 Million last year), doing better with big sponsorships (Casey's, Martin Brothers, VGM) and trying to rely less and less on state funds (down to $3.8M last year, by far the least in the Valley). Its going to be fascinating to watch going forward. I think its your bad G5 teams that are the ones that are really going to have to make some hard choices as they're getting FCS results while spending FBS money.
 
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This is a question more out of ingnorance, but how do most schools afford to field an FCS team? Surely most FCS football programs are not profitable, are they? I can see NDSU maybe, plus I have heard they get lots of donor cash. Obviously lots of schools get paid to play the big boys, but I'm not sure how stable that is going forward.

The article mentioned that non-power 5 schools lose more money on average than FCS schools do.
 

somecyguy

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That doesn't surprise me at all. The non-power schools have the worst of both worlds. Competing against schools with the TV contracts without compatible resources. The FCS world has a much lower average to achieve competitive facilities.
 

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I think an audited athletic department proof of self sustainability should be a requirement for Power 5 football participation.

Schools that are having their departments subsidized by the state and continue to run deficits maintaining their programs really ought to consider if this rat race is for them.

The chase for big TV money is probably ending.


This might eliminate almost all schools once the grant of rights is renegotiated.
 

somecyguy

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You will never get audited school information and it's laughable to even think they would use that as a guideline. We can't even get the conferences on the same page regarding scheduling.
 

AuH2O

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The article mentioned that non-power 5 schools lose more money on average than FCS schools do.
Right - I saw that and it is not unexpected. Really the question is how does any school outside of the P5 really make football profitable? UNI guy answered the approach by these schools to some extent. I like to follow FCS, DII, etc. but I just think it's quite a challenge for these schools ADs.

Again, I may be showing my ignorance, but wouldn't UConn be better off being BBall only and trying to get back into the Big East? Seems like football drove their BBall program into a weaker conference. Not to mention, having football also increases needs for womens' scholarships through Title IX.
 

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Right - I saw that and it is not unexpected. Really the question is how does any school outside of the P5 really make football profitable? UNI guy answered the approach by these schools to some extent. I like to follow FCS, DII, etc. but I just think it's quite a challenge for these schools ADs.

Again, I may be showing my ignorance, but wouldn't UConn be better off being BBall only and trying to get back into the Big East? Seems like football drove their BBall program into a weaker conference. Not to mention, having football also increases needs for womens' scholarships through Title IX.

I watched them play UCF last night. I'm not so sure they would be better off doing that.