Eight flawed teams that are dangerous enough to win a title

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Total rebounds is a worthless statistic. Rebounding percentage is what to care about.

If one team has 25 turnovers while the other has 5 the team with 25 turnovers better have more rebounds than the team with 5. The team with 25 turnovers had 20 more shots to get boards.

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10th in defensive rebound percentage
9th in offensive rebound percentage
 

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The number of long rebounds this year have been staggering.
Over the course of a season that's going to go back to the law of averages. Our lack of rebounding prowess is due to a multitude of reasons:

1. 4 guards on the floor. One of them is likely against someone a few inches taller than them playing a power forward type position.
2. We are a finesse team. We aren't going to out-muscle many teams for rebounds.
3. We are releasing guards for transition buckets when shots go up. We're willing to trade a few long boards for what we hope is more than a few transition buckets.
 
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Over the course of a season that's going to go back to the law of averages. Our lack of rebounding prowess is due to a multitude of reasons:

1. 4 guards on the floor. One of them is likely against someone a few inches taller than them playing a power forward type position.
2. We are a finesse team. We aren't going to out-muscle many teams for rebounds.
3. We are releasing guards for transition buckets when shots go up. We're willing to trade a few long boards for what we hope is more than a few transition buckets.

I would also add 4.) Double teams.
 

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I really think defensive rebounding was the one thing that probably played the most into the Iowa loss that was mentioned earlier. Everyone talks about how players who had done nothing from beyond the arc shot out of their minds in that game. If you know that there is as good or better of a chance that a teammate is going to get the rebound if you miss there is pretty much no pressure on your shot. A relaxed player is going to perform much better. Many of those missed 3 pointers were as good as an entry pass to an open post player.

That's quite a stretch. When Moss was drilling contested threes, I can guarantee you he wasn't thinking "what do I have to lose, we're going to get the rebound anyway!". Some nights you have it, some nights you don't. That can be amplified in a rivalry game in front of your home crowd.
 

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That's quite a stretch. When Moss was drilling contested threes, I can guarantee you he wasn't thinking "what do I have to lose, we're going to get the rebound anyway!". Some nights you have it, some nights you don't. That can be amplified in a rivalry game in front of your home crowd.
When you miss a three and it ends up a fast break bucket the other way your mind set is totally different the next time you shoot than if that same missed three results in a O rebound and dunk on your end.

They may not be actively thinking it in those terms but there is more of a carefree attitude. It really isn't any different than when a team gets up by 15 or so and the players feel so relaxed they just can't miss and it quickly becomes 25.
 

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When you miss a three and it ends up a fast break bucket the other way your mind set is totally different the next time you shoot than if that same missed three results in a O rebound and dunk on your end.

They may not be actively thinking it in those terms but there is more of a carefree attitude. It really isn't any different than when a team gets up by 15 or so and the players feel so relaxed they just can't miss and it quickly becomes 25.

Yeah, I'm not buying that. Players play. They aren't thinking about those things.
 

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I just keep thinking how great it would be to make the final four this year being in Minneapolis. Don’t care if I have the worst seat in US Bank Stadium, no way I’d miss that. Cyclone fans would take over Minneapolis.
 

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I just keep thinking how great it would be to make the final four this year being in Minneapolis. Don’t care if I have the worst seat in US Bank Stadium, no way I’d miss that. Cyclone fans would take over Minneapolis.
I had access to a ticket to the FF and someone with a hotel room I could stay with in Indy in 2000 and was already going to be there for business right before the FF started. All I would have had to do was change my return flight. Unfortunately we all know what happened in Auburn Hills the weekend before.
 

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I feel like this team is just like Hoiberg's last team. 2014-2015. Incredibly high ceiling (won Big 12 Tournament and could have won NCAA Tournament) but really low floor too (regular season losses to bad Tech/K-State teams and first round loss to UAB).
 

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Over the course of a season that's going to go back to the law of averages. Our lack of rebounding prowess is due to a multitude of reasons:

1. 4 guards on the floor. One of them is likely against someone a few inches taller than them playing a power forward type position.
2. We are a finesse team. We aren't going to out-muscle many teams for rebounds.
3. We are releasing guards for transition buckets when shots go up. We're willing to trade a few long boards for what we hope is more than a few transition buckets.
Honestly, you saw this happen a bunch last night in the women's game against Baylor...they killed us on both end rebounding. The offensive boards are killers in that it gives the opponent another (or 2) shot without having to go through transition. Give a team 2-3 opportunities and even a poor shooting team at 40% eventually makes a shot without you getting a chance to make your own.
 
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Honestly, you saw this happen a bunch last night in the women's game against Baylor...they killed us on both end rebounding. The offensive boards are killers in that it gives the opponent another (or 2) shot without having to go through transition. Give a team 2-3 opportunities and even a poor shooting team at 40% eventually makes a shot without you getting a chance to make your own.
Not to mention what it does to momentum. You defend well enough to force a miss and they get it right back and you are defending again. That happens a few times and they get more confident and you get less confident.
 

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Honestly, you saw this happen a bunch last night in the women's game against Baylor...they killed us on both end rebounding. The offensive boards are killers in that it gives the opponent another (or 2) shot without having to go through transition. Give a team 2-3 opportunities and even a poor shooting team at 40% eventually makes a shot without you getting a chance to make your own.

This is a terrible comparison though. Iowa State was in good position most of the night but just got beat on the boards by a much more lengthy and athletic team last night. I don't care how good Iowa State's technique or fundamentals were, Baylor kills them on the glass 10 times out of 10.
 

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Not sure what the numbers are, but ISU has been hammered pretty bad on the boards when on defense. Seems like KU rebound about every other miss in the last game, maybe more. Part of that is playing several freshman that are just not strong enough to battle for rebounds. It doesn't help that the only really athletic big man is a foul a minute guy.
 

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We are really poor at boxing out, minus Jacobsen. It's just not something emphasized by Prohm from what it appears on the floor. But we get a lot of transition buckets so maybe that makes up for it? We are awful at closing out on 3 point shooters, we love to run by them which allows them to get their own rebound. Again, maybe he wants our guys to run by them and be available for a quick bucket on the other end.