Another hypothetical conference expansion thread

OPButtrey

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I know the Big 12 is in good shape and all but....

Let's say the networks or playoff committee or whoever decides that college football must go to a 16 team, 4 conference model and only member teams will be eligle for the playoffs. How would that play out if enough current Big 12 members decide to leave simultaneously thus voiding the GOR? In my hypothetical world:

1. Notre Dame to ACC as full member due to current affiliation
2. B10 takes Kansas and Oklahoma.
3. PAC offers to guarantee Texas $ equal to LHN if they fold it into struggling PAC network. Texas accepts since B10 spots are taken and A&M doesn’t want them in SEC.
4. TTU, KSU & OSU follow Texas to PAC to get to 16 members
5. ACC takes WVU for geographical reasons and to restore rivalries.

This leaves 2 spots open in the SEC with TCU, Baylor & ISU left in the B12 along with BYU, all of the mountain west, and all of the AAC .

The SEC historically doesn’t like to take teams from a state where they already have a presence. But, I think they would make an exception by taking TCU since they belong to Dallas area while A&M are closer to Houston. Additionally, A&M doesn’t have a long history in the SEC to cast a veto and they may actually enjoy having an old Southwest member for rivalry purposes.

That leaves 1 spot open. We can eliminate BYU and the entire Mountain West due to geography. We can also eliminate Baylor, Houston & SMU now that both A&M and TCU are members. Navy, Temple, Tulane & Tulsa just aren’t big enough players to be considered so that leaves the following schools as competition with ISU for the last spot:

UCF
Cincinatti
UConn
Memphis
USF
ECU

UCF had a great season under Frost and is a large school but would Florida allow another in-state school? Unlike A&M, they have a long history with the conference and I have to believe that Florida State and/or Miami would be SEC members today if it was OK with the Gators. There was no ACC GOR keeping FSU & Miami in place when the SEC chose Missouri.

Memphis is out since they already have both Vandy and Tennessee. I don’t think UConn offers enough to overcome the geography.

So how does ISU stack up against ECU & Cincinatti in the eyes of the SEC? All 3 schools border a current SEC state but ISU is a State school as opposed to a city or directional school. ISU has a larger stadium and higher football attendance and our basketball program is much better than ECU’s.

So, as crazy as it sounds… is it possible that under the right circumstances Iowa State ends up in the SEC??
 
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Eight 8 Team Geographic Divisions that lead to an 8 team playoff.

Baylor is the odd man out of the current 65 because the rape scandal and religious affiliation makes them the easiest to get rid of politically.

Some adjustments in the southeast that go against pure geography so that you don't end up with one crazy super division.

Northwest
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
Utah
Colorado

Southwest
Arizona
Arizona State
USC
UCLA
Texas Tech
TCU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Midwest
Iowa
Iowa State
Nebraska
Missouri
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Kansas
Kansas State

South
Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Mideast
Indiana
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Illinois
Northwestern
Kentucky

Southeast

Miami
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest


Mid-South
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
South Carolina
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Kentucky
Georgia Tech

Northeast
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Boston College
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Penn State
Maryland
Louisville


This will never happen in a million years but it makes the most sense.
 

ca4cy

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Eight 8 Team Geographic Divisions that lead to an 8 team playoff.

Baylor is the odd man out of the current 65 because the rape scandal and religious affiliation makes them the easiest to get rid of politically.

Some adjustments in the southeast that go against pure geography so that you don't end up with one crazy super division.

Northwest
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
Utah
Colorado

Southwest
Arizona
Arizona State
USC
UCLA
Texas Tech
TCU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Midwest
Iowa
Iowa State
Nebraska
Missouri
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Kansas
Kansas State

South
Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Mideast
Indiana
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Illinois
Northwestern
Kentucky

Southeast

Miami
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest


Mid-South
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
South Carolina
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Kentucky
Georgia Tech

Northeast
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Boston College
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Penn State
Maryland
Louisville


This will never happen in a million years but it makes the most sense.

This would be great. Unfortunately your last line sums it up very well. It makes a lot of sense and brings back regional rivalries....therefore it has no chance of ever happening.
 

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Eight 8 Team Geographic Divisions that lead to an 8 team playoff.

Baylor is the odd man out of the current 65 because the rape scandal and religious affiliation makes them the easiest to get rid of politically.

Some adjustments in the southeast that go against pure geography so that you don't end up with one crazy super division.

Northwest
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
Utah
Colorado

Southwest
Arizona
Arizona State
USC
UCLA
Texas Tech
TCU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Midwest
Iowa
Iowa State
Nebraska
Missouri
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Kansas
Kansas State

South
Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Mideast
Indiana
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Illinois
Northwestern
Kentucky

Southeast

Miami
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest


Mid-South
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
South Carolina
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Kentucky
Georgia Tech

Northeast
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Boston College
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Penn State
Maryland
Louisville


This will never happen in a million years but it makes the most sense.
West Virginia?
 

Gonzo

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IF the 4x16 "superconferences" thing happens I don't think any of the current conference names survive. It will be more like regions for March Madness, ie, East, Midwest, South, and West.

There's no way anyone is going to throw away decades upon decades of the branding and brand equity that's been built up in many of these conference names. Just like the biggest bowl games didn't give up their names or identity when they essentially became CFP semi-finals.
 

isucy86

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IMO the driving force to realignment will be the college playoff structure. At some time in the next 3 years the P5 conferences need to determine do they stay at 4 or bump playoff to 8 or 16 teams.

I also think at some point AD's at blue blood schools will come to the conclusion it is easier to get to the playoff when the conference/division is around 10 teams vs 14 or 16.

Plus it cleaner if the politics are removed and all conference/division champs earn a playoff berth on the field vs. in the boardroom.

IMO an 11 team conference ia the ideal size. Play 10 division games and 2 non-division games. This would allow rivalries like ISU v Iowa or Ga v GTech to continue and teams play a round robin schedule.
 
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ca4cy

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There's no way anyone is going to throw away decades upon decades of the branding and brand equity that's been built up in many of these conference names. Just like the biggest bowl games didn't give up their names or identity when they essentially became CFP semi-finals.

Meh. They'll have stripped away most of the conference identities at that point anyway.
 
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This is what I'd like to see.

Kansas - SEC (Mizzou main rivalry)
TCU - SEC (A&M ok with them vs Texas)

Iowa State - B1G (best fit for ISU)
Kansas State - B1G (Nebraska rivalry)

Texas - PAC16 (UT gets desired academics +)
Texas Tech - PAC16 (following UT)
Oklahoma - PAC16 (following UT)
Oklahoma State - PAC16 (following OU)

West Virginia - ACC (Notre Dame joins too)
Baylor - AAC (Rape scandal fallout, SMU rival)

The end of realignment.
 

CNECloneFan

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Eight 8 Team Geographic Divisions that lead to an 8 team playoff.

Baylor is the odd man out of the current 65 because the rape scandal and religious affiliation makes them the easiest to get rid of politically.

Some adjustments in the southeast that go against pure geography so that you don't end up with one crazy super division.

Northwest
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
Utah
Colorado

Southwest
Arizona
Arizona State
USC
UCLA
Texas Tech
TCU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Midwest
Iowa
Iowa State
Nebraska
Missouri
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Kansas
Kansas State

South
Texas
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Mideast
Indiana
Purdue
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Illinois
Northwestern
Kentucky

Southeast

Miami
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest


Mid-South
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
South Carolina
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Kentucky
Georgia Tech

Northeast
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Boston College
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Penn State
Maryland
Louisville


This will never happen in a million years but it makes the most sense.
I would LOVE this.

But you are right - it makes too much sense.
 

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ACC Atlantic:
Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Louisville
North Carolina State
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Wake Forest

ACC Coastal:
Duke
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia

SEC East:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

SEC West:
Arkansas
Kansas
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Texas Christian

B1G East:
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Pennsylvania State
Purdue
Rutgers

B1G West:
Illinois
Iowa
Iowa State
Kansas State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

PAC16 East:
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Utah

PAC16 West:
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State


The winner of each conference championship game goes to the 4 play off spots regardless of record.

Baylor goes to the AAC.
 
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