well duh, I know that as I have a lot African American friends that are not criminals or thugs and nobody is denying that fact of them being American, to me it becomes a race thing because most, I assume black kids, key words there is "most I assume" are not brought up in good homes because maybe daddy is in prison or just a loser hustler out there doing his own thing while mommy whom does not have a job/education and live on food stamps, is left to raise the kids in poverty stricken communities with lots of violence, so when the kids grow up seeing that, they think it is ok to put a hand on someone to hurt them. I don't know for sure and that is why in my initial post I spefically ask for the perspective from African American people on the site in an attempt gain some understanding/education on a lot of brothers with an opportunity on a silver plate screw up like that, granted everyone is raised differently, but the violence reported a lot always has to do with "brothers" out there. I think its more than just a "It's a stupid people thing" issue. There is definately more root cause to violence, so lets not deny that fact and label it as a I just a "stupid people thing".