Sagarin vs CFPB10 Committee

[HFCS]

I'm assuming some others like me are coping by simply following non-ISU football and kind of pretending yesterday didn't happen.

Some #s using today's sagarin vs the CFP Big Ten Selection Committee, notice how Baylor's "HORRIBLE" schedule is now a typical Ohio State or Iowa schedule and every other Big 12 team is playing better competition even according to the CFP's own SOS ranking. Ohio State should be 10th like Baylor is now in the next CFP since they are 0-1 against good teams and have been playing close with lots of bad ones as opposed to Baylor who has curb stomped the weaklings.

Oklahoma Sagarin: 2 (32 SOS)
Oklahoma BigTen Committee: 7 (34 SOS)

Baylor Sagarin: 4 (65 SOS)
Baylor BigTen Committee: 10 (62 SOS)

TCU Sagarin: 8 (44 SOS)
TCU BigTen Committee: 18 (45 SOS) (about to fall as insane as that is)

Ohio State Sagarin: 5 (61 SOS)
Ohio State BigTen Committee: 3 (58 SOS)

Iowa Sagarin: 17 (62 SOS)
Iowa BigTen Committee: 5 (67 SOS)

Michigan State Sagarin: 15 (48 SOS) (up to the minute)
Michigan State BigTen Committee: 9 (50 SOS) (about to rise)

NW Sagarin: 34 (31 SOS) (up to the minute)
NW BigTen Committee: 20 (40 SOS) (about to move up)

That is some staggeringly consistent 100% upward movement vs a computer for one conference and 100% downward movement from computer for another. I'll agree that the truth could very will be somewhere in between, but there's simply no way that Sagarin is overvaluing every single Big 12 team and undervaluing every single Big Ten team.

 

[isulive2train]

Heard dat!

 

[JHUNSY]

Just curious, how does this look for the other Power conferences?

 

[Wesley]

Yeah, the fix is in.

Osborne and gang probably said let's take control back by committee so the B12 computers do not have a say. Looks like bias is worse than ever

 

[cytheguy]

If Iowa somehow wins out, they're in. And they'd deserve it. Just like Clemson. Question then is, who gets the other 2 slots if Alabama, OU and Notre Dame all win out?

 

[keepngoal]

If Iowa somehow wins out, they're in. And they'd deserve it. Just like Clemson. Question then is, who gets the other 2 slots if Alabama, OU and Notre Dame all win out?

Agreed.

ND, cause ND. And Alabama as they have the last game.

 

[HFCS]

Just curious, how does this look for the other Power conferences?

SEC is awesome in Sagarin just like Big 12. If anything the committee undervalues them.

ACC is also pretty accurate because it's Clemson/ND being very high and everyone else SUCK.

It's basically the committee inflates 100% of Big Ten teams and drops 100% of Big 12 teams.

If you look at the individuals on the committee and their ties it reflects all of this in an exact perfect manner. Big Ten bas the most ties. SEC has some but not a ton. Notre Dame has some. Big 12 and ACC have practically zero ties on the committee and the single individuals they have are no names.

 

[HFCS]

If Iowa somehow wins out, they're in. And they'd deserve it. Just like Clemson. Question then is, who gets the other 2 slots if Alabama, OU and Notre Dame all win out?

I don't disagree with this...but this can be true while it's also true that the committee obviously inflates the Big Ten and drops the Big 12 for no reason. TCU 18th last week? Come on.

 

[cygrads]

If Iowa somehow wins out, they're in. And they'd deserve it. Just like Clemson. Question then is, who gets the other 2 slots if Alabama, OU and Notre Dame all win out?

Agree - any P5 school that goes undefeated should be in the playoff (no matter how weak their conf is) - then figure out who are the best of the 1 loss candidates.

 

[HFCS]

Agree - any P5 school that goes undefeated should be in the playoff (no matter how weak their conf is) - then figure out who are the best of the 1 loss candidates.

As of now this makes sense...who knows in the future.

There was a time when a horrible Big East was considered BCS/P6 and going 7-0 in that league absolutely wasn't any better than going unbeaten in the American now. I believe UConn got a BCS bid and weren't even top 50 in Sagarin.

If Clemson and Florida State hadn't turned their programs around going 9-0 in the ACC wouldn't have guaranteed a team deserved top 4 and just a few years back neither was anything special.

 

[JohnnyFive]

One of Iowa's "top 25" wins went out the door yesterday. Ohio St lost its only chance to beat a top 25 team too. After Ok St lost last night, I gotta hope Oklahoma rolls Oklahoma St next week and Baylor beats TCU because the Big 12 would have a good chance to get in considering Oklahoma's past few weeks.

The committee is setting an ugly precedent if they allow Iowa in the playoff if they have one single win against a top 25 team and the rest of their wins being relatively close games (besides Northwestern/Purdue) considering the competition they were playing.

 

[Krug]

One of Iowa's "top 25" wins went out the door yesterday. Ohio St lost its only chance to beat a top 25 team too. After Ok St lost last night, I gotta hope Oklahoma rolls Oklahoma St next week and Baylor beats TCU because the Big 12 would have a good chance to get in considering Oklahoma's past few weeks.

The committee is setting an ugly precedent if they allow Iowa in the playoff if they have one single win against a top 25 team and the rest of their wins being relatively close games (besides Northwestern/Purdue) considering the competition they were playing.

Pitt could be back in the top 25 this week.

 

[timinatoria]

One of Iowa's "top 25" wins went out the door yesterday. Ohio St lost its only chance to beat a top 25 team too. After Ok St lost last night, I gotta hope Oklahoma rolls Oklahoma St next week and Baylor beats TCU because the Big 12 would have a good chance to get in considering Oklahoma's past few weeks.

The committee is setting an ugly precedent if they allow Iowa in the playoff if they have one single win against a top 25 team and the rest of their wins being relatively close games (besides Northwestern/Purdue) considering the competition they were playing.

Uh....Ohio State plays a top 25 team next week. Michigan.

And if Iowa wins out they will have to beat MSU or possibly Michigan/OSU, so that will be a 2nd top 25 team. Probably a top 10 team.

Anything else you want to incorrectly say about the playoffs?

 

[Wesley]

Seems like an undefeated team should be worth more than one loss teams. Looking at you OU.

 

[HFCS]

One of Iowa's "top 25" wins went out the door yesterday. Ohio St lost its only chance to beat a top 25 team too. After Ok St lost last night, I gotta hope Oklahoma rolls Oklahoma St next week and Baylor beats TCU because the Big 12 would have a good chance to get in considering Oklahoma's past few weeks.

The committee is setting an ugly precedent if they allow Iowa in the playoff if they have one single win against a top 25 team and the rest of their wins being relatively close games (besides Northwestern/Purdue) considering the competition they were playing.

Ohio State is 0-1 against good teams and played a bunch of crap and average teams close. They will likely have the weakest resume of any top 10 team Tuesday.

Bolded: Let's also not kid ourselves that OU's name will help compared to TCU/Baylor last week.

 

[HFCS]

Uh....Ohio State plays a top 25 team next week. Michigan.

And if Iowa wins out they will have to beat MSU or possibly Michigan/OSU, so that will be a 2nd top 25 team. Probably a top 10 team.

Anything else you want to incorrectly say about the playoffs?

So they are 0-1 against good competition now and will be 1-1 or 0-2 next week.

This doesn't impress Big 12 fans. Iowa has a substantially better resume than Ohio State at this point.

 

[Wesley]

ISU and Boston College are probably the best three win teams in America at this time.

 

[timinatoria]

It doesn't impress me either, just pointing out the errors of his post.

Also, Sagarin has Ole Miss 10th, so let's not pretend his rankings are perfect.

 

[clonedude]

That is some pretty damning evidence right there of the HUGE Big Ten bias in this committee. It's unreal.

Iowa has one win against a ranked team and that is #20 Northwestern, who by the way is #34 in Sagarin, so they shouldn't really even be ranked.

How TCU was 18th this week and will now drop further and possibly even out of the top 25 is just beyond ridiculous. And how Baylor could be 10th and Ohio State 3rd this week was also a travesty. Ohio State is getting credit for winning it all last year, even though the committee themselves have said last year has no impact on this year.

It's all a joke. Just the fact that the committee has members on it that will benefit directly if certain teams make it in is laughable.... not to mention that the conferences don't even have equal representation on the committee either. How Bowlsby can go along with this and not question this process every year as his conference continues to get screwed is beyond me. He should be canned and someone should be put in there that works FOR the Big 12, not against it.

 

[HFCS]

It doesn't impress me either, just pointing out the errors of his post.

Also, Sagarin has Ole Miss 10th, so let's not pretend his rankings are perfect.

Ole Miss has better wins than any Big Ten team. They should be ranked quite high.

If you win @Alabama and beat LSU in the same season it means you are an incredibly dangerous team. How much $ would you put on Ole Miss vs Iowa on a neutral field? I'm guessing Vegas makes Iowa a significant dog in that game.