Also, Johnny Majors.
Also, Earl Bruce.
Also, Pop Warner, if you want to go that far back.
Coaching Graveyard theory.....
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Also, Johnny Majors.
Also, Earl Bruce.
Also, Pop Warner, if you want to go that far back.
Right On! Iowa State is a diamond in the rough just itching to have a successful football program. The right coach will be successful sooner rather than later and be set for life. NOW, Iowa State needs to go out and find a really good, established HC with experience that wants to build this thing and pony up for him!
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If you are a prospective HC look at it this way..you come here u win and are idolized and u can bolt for a big time job or you lose and still get paid a ton of money for a very long period of time that other places wouldn't give u if you failed. Being a HC at ISU at this stage isn't nearly as bad as many other places I could name for various reasons.
If you don't agree then you as a fan should not expect to ever have a decent HC in football. Then why bother watching or caring if no decent coach with a right mind will even consider ISU? So we are praying for JP or some AD to strike it rich with some unknown prodigy...sounds good.
The coaching graveyard said more about the institution's commitment to sports for many years, mostly prior to say McCarney. It drives the bow-tie crowd bonkers, but the bigtime sports and football in particular are HUGE marketing tools for the university, and a built-in mechanism for alumni to stay connected. They are obviously a big net benefit for the community as well.
The expectations here are so much lower, and the fans are quite a bit more patient and loyal too. With the facilities and budget improvements, it's a lot better job than it was when Walden had it and McCarney took it over. A guy that goes .500 overall and .400 in conference here would have a job for life. That's almost unheard of in bigtime sports.
The expectations here are so much lower, and the fans are quite a bit more patient and loyal too. With the facilities and budget improvements, it's a lot better job than it was when Walden had it and McCarney took it over. A guy that goes .500 overall and .400 in conference here would have a job for life. That's almost unheard of in bigtime sports.
We don't pay a ton of money. 2 mil a year. I think Fleck gets 1.5 a year. For a P5 job we pay low. It's a lot of money but if your a successful mid major coach why only get maybe double the money and take a job nobody has won syncs hanging around for a year or two more and trying to get a larger paycheck like McElwain did. You want a good mid major coach to come her you better have 3 mil a year at least ready to go.
I have to say, I've thought as to why we haven't tried the Johnny Orr method. But there just aren't any coaches out there who are really great whose salaries are too low. Schools make sure to pay the coaches they want to keep. And some of the coaches whose salaries are lower are people with no Big 12/Midwest ties who are from the area they are coaching. I'd find it hard to believe they would come here for any reason.
We're looking at a coordinator or lower-tier head coach. Chris Ash at least has perspective of what it is like here, and Urban Meyer pedigree. I'd say we go after him first - not just the ISU ties, but the understanding of how it has worked here, how it works for a national championship team, and how to get from one to the other.
Sorry cause I've not read a single post in this but here's the real deal on the "graveyard theory"....CPR is SIGNIFICANTLY under .500 and he will be walking away from his job of 7 years with what...15 million dollars in earnings?
There are a lot of coaches in America that know that while you might not win big in Ames you can become wealthy beyond measure coaching at ISU. CPR is walking out of here with more money than he or his family could ever spend without being tools about it. Along with the fact that he could still get a DC job at some pretty good schools and have a nice career coaching the game...with his 15 million.
There are a lot of coaches in America that know that while you might not win big in Ames you can become wealthy beyond measure coaching at ISU. CPR is walking out of here with more money than he or his family could ever spend without being tools about it. Along with the fact that he could still get a DC job at some pretty good schools and have a nice career coaching the game...with his 15 million.
ISU has been called a "Coaching Graveyard" since the days of Clay "Single Wing" Stapleton, and most of those years it was appropriate...
Go Jamie Fire CPR and hire at least a semi competent coach...Unlike our present coach who is completely incompetent imho...................
Go Jamie Fire CPR and hire at least a semi competent coach...Unlike our present coach who is completely incompetent imho...................
So who were all the candidates that we had lining up to get the job when CPR was hired??
I don't know about the time CPR was hired but Jim Harbaugh and Brian Kelly interviewed when Chizik got the job. Some say Brian Kelly accepted the job then the news leaked and he backed out.
Well apparently others have reported that we had our pick of Harbaugh, Brian Kelly etc.. But went with Chizik. Fact is non of us has any idea who JP looked at after Chizik because JP felt so burned by Chizik being such an awful coach then leaving after two years that we all know JP wanted a hometown type guy who wouldn't bolt after 2 years. So we don't know.
I agree with most of what the OP had to say. Things have greatly changed for the better at Iowa State and we all know that. The problem is nationally, that isn't the perception, which would make it even hard for ISU to lure a guy like Tom Herman - who was here not very long ago - to come take over this program when he has a somewhat low pressure job like Houston in the backyard of dozens of blue chip recruits and he's making 1.35 mil.
But for the most part, here, you're right. The job is a million times better than it was when JP was trying to replace Dan McCarney.
But for the most part, here, you're right. The job is a million times better than it was when JP was trying to replace Dan McCarney.
Really don't give a damn about who interviewed when DMac left. The perception of the ISU Football program changed after Chizik took the job. Chizik was the hot shot candidate amongst a great group of candidates in 2006 when he sought the job and was hired for the 2007 season. Two years later, Chizik was given a lifeline by Auburn and took that job.
Now name all the candidates that were seeking the job besides CPR in 2008 after Chizik left. You failed to answer the question.
