For discussions sake why not? FCS still has teams in Texas and Florida and California. So while the division is lower it's still a similar challeneg.
Recruiting Woes
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For discussions sake why not? FCS still has teams in Texas and Florida and California. So while the division is lower it's still a similar challeneg.
They were dog meat after Snyder left the first time. Family Stadium was in trouble for awhile.They know how to finish games and we do not.
The Big 12 North was dominant when Snyder built KState in the 90s. Nebraska was like Alabama now and Colorado was a top 10 program.
The knock I had always heard on Johnson was attitude as well. The Iowa coaches felt that he took plays off. Clearly, that was an erroneous evaluation, but mistakes are sometimes made. Ever heard of Kurt Warner or Danny Woodhead?
All this talk of bad weather and seeing snow on the ground kills our recruiting is garbage.
The top two teams in the nation right now average temps between Oct and Jan:
Iowa State has elite facilities, but we do not have elite coaches, assistants, or talent evaluators. Ames not too far away was rated as a top 10 place to live inthe United States by Time Mag., so again, don't tell me location is trash.
We're not developing anyone that we have to in this current climate. Sam B. is the same QB his 1st year.
SBR's completion ratings each year of his career: 58.2%, 55.3%, 56.3%, and 61.3% this season. Which you might think he is getting better this year, but every year of his career, every Sept. he hovers around 60% completion and then collapses when it gets colder and or B12 season starts.
Our best players are JuCos that someone else coached up to their ability. If they're not JuCos, they're freshman who had awesome 1st seasons and will continue to be stuck in mediocrity around them (Cotton-Moya comes to mind), which again someone else, a high school coach, coached them up. If that's going to be the trend for the Paul Rhoads era we need to attract the best transfers as well and just pray their previous coaches have them coached so high we can't screw them up.
The biggest issue for our recruiting I believe currently is we are dealing with the drought of great recruits from the years of late 2009 through 2012 when the B12 nearly collapsed. Iowa State was about to be left in independence or playing in a hodgepodge Big East because the B1G was expanding. Committing to Iowa State those years would have been like committing to play at UAB last year.
Instead of having seniors who can rely on experience to win, or hope they became gems, ISU simply does not have those people. They did not and do not exist.
2009 freshman (that’s when talk first started (Dec ’09) of NCAA realignment): 4 years later become 2013 Seniors record 3-9
2010 freshman: 4 years later become 2014 Seniors record 2-10
2011 freshman: 4 years later become 2015 Seniors record 1-2 so far
If trend continues per my observation of the effect of realignment, expect 2016 to be more palpable only for the fact that most of the defunct recruiting years have been replaced by current recruits, and 2017 to be an acceptable winning season with great seniors and underclassmen.
The top two teams in the nation right now average temps between Oct and Jan:
| High's | ||||
| Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | |
| #1 | 65 | 52 | 41 | 36 |
| #2 | 60 | 46 | 34 | 29 |
| Iowa State | 64 | 47 | 32 | 30 |
| Low's | ||||
| Oct | Nov | Dec | Jan | |
| #1 | 44 | 35 | 26 | 20 |
| #2 | 38 | 29 | 20 | 13 |
| Iowa State | 41 | 28 | 15 | 12 |
Iowa State has elite facilities, but we do not have elite coaches, assistants, or talent evaluators. Ames not too far away was rated as a top 10 place to live inthe United States by Time Mag., so again, don't tell me location is trash.
We're not developing anyone that we have to in this current climate. Sam B. is the same QB his 1st year.
SBR's completion ratings each year of his career: 58.2%, 55.3%, 56.3%, and 61.3% this season. Which you might think he is getting better this year, but every year of his career, every Sept. he hovers around 60% completion and then collapses when it gets colder and or B12 season starts.
Our best players are JuCos that someone else coached up to their ability. If they're not JuCos, they're freshman who had awesome 1st seasons and will continue to be stuck in mediocrity around them (Cotton-Moya comes to mind), which again someone else, a high school coach, coached them up. If that's going to be the trend for the Paul Rhoads era we need to attract the best transfers as well and just pray their previous coaches have them coached so high we can't screw them up.
The biggest issue for our recruiting I believe currently is we are dealing with the drought of great recruits from the years of late 2009 through 2012 when the B12 nearly collapsed. Iowa State was about to be left in independence or playing in a hodgepodge Big East because the B1G was expanding. Committing to Iowa State those years would have been like committing to play at UAB last year.
Instead of having seniors who can rely on experience to win, or hope they became gems, ISU simply does not have those people. They did not and do not exist.
2009 freshman (that’s when talk first started (Dec ’09) of NCAA realignment): 4 years later become 2013 Seniors record 3-9
2010 freshman: 4 years later become 2014 Seniors record 2-10
2011 freshman: 4 years later become 2015 Seniors record 1-2 so far
If trend continues per my observation of the effect of realignment, expect 2016 to be more palpable only for the fact that most of the defunct recruiting years have been replaced by current recruits, and 2017 to be an acceptable winning season with great seniors and underclassmen.
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Agree with you besides the basketball recruiting. In basketball you dont need to feel 25 scholarships so you dont have to recruit as much players. Also its alot easier to get kids here for basketball because, well look where our basketball program is
Is it still affecting us? Cuz we were 9th out of 10 conference teams in recruiting for 2013 and last ever since. Including this year's recruiting, which is last among all Power 5 teams, almost 20 spots below the next lowest (Colorado) and nearly 30 spots below the next lowest conference team (Kansas).
And Farley feasts on some of the headshaking mistakes made my his millionaire rivals.
The ISU recruiting completely whiffed in 2012, otherwise every year Rhoads has been more or less consistent in his ranking, sometimes getting the occasional 4 star to help boost (Campos / Lazard) overall ranking. So the terrible 2012 year will effect us more in the fact we didn't get really anything.
Honestly, the issue is less the weather, and more the fact that Ames is rural and not urban. The weather, and the perceived distance of Ames from Des Moines doesn't help. If ISU was in a Des Moines suburb, it would be much less an issue. The majority of recruits are African Americans, and they don't like Ames because it offers very little to them culturally. I hear it first hand from my black wife and her friends who went to ISU. They HATED Ames.
Comparing what Ames offers to Columbus is just plain laughable.
Just one more excuse we do not recruit well enough for the league. Should have done better, but it is apparent Paul needs to be more relentless and emulate Prohm on the 24/7 recruiting trail. He needs to continue travelling to recruit on the road next year if he is still coach. He needs to bust his butt if he wants to survive.
