MONDAY MAILBAG: A final question

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Nuts4Cy

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Sorry I missed the open mailbag questions. You don't have to include this in your article, but I would like to know your response.

If the Vikings and Leslie Frazier say went .500 for a couple of years, but in year five ended up 1-6 through the first half of the season - would you as the GM, keep Frazier on as coach?
 

Wesley

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Sorry I missed the open mailbag questions. You don't have to include this in your article, but I would like to know your response.

If the Vikings and Leslie Frazier say went .500 for a couple of years, but in year five ended up 1-6 through the first half of the season - would you as the GM, keep Frazier on as coach?

LFrazier who? He is a dead man walking. Three weeks, and we have seen three different bad qb performances. There is no light at the end of the tunnel with this group. Not sure who is the best of the three yet. They all look frazzled under duress.
 

Bret44

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Sorry I missed the open mailbag questions. You don't have to include this in your article, but I would like to know your response.

If the Vikings and Leslie Frazier say went .500 for a couple of years, but in year five ended up 1-6 through the first half of the season - would you as the GM, keep Frazier on as coach?

Are you comparing a College Football Program to an NFL organization? Because If you are I don't think you know what you are talking about.
 

Brad4Cyclones

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Sorry I missed the open mailbag questions. You don't have to include this in your article, but I would like to know your response.

If the Vikings and Leslie Frazier say went .500 for a couple of years, but in year five ended up 1-6 through the first half of the season - would you as the GM, keep Frazier on as coach?

Comparing an NFL franchise to a college program? Good job!
 

Land Grant

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I see what he is trying to do: offer a somewhat analogous situation where CW can imagine himself as a "fan" rather than the manager of a dedicated team website with a more complicated relationship to the topic.

Are you comparing a College Football Program to an NFL organization? Because If you are I don't think you know what you are talking about.
 

Nuts4Cy

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Let's put this another way: Coaching scenarios.

Terry Allen
1997-2001
21-35 record
.375 winning percentage
Fired

Ron Zook2005-2011
34-51 record
.400 winning percentage
Fired

CPR
2009-2013
25-33 record
.431 winning percentage

Ron Prince
2006-2008
17-20 record
.459 winning percentage
Fired

Dave Wannstedt
2005-2010
42-31 record
.575 winning percentage
Fired

Or in Iowa State perspective:

Jim Criner
17-25 record
.405 winning percentage
Fired

Jim Waldens first 5 years
21-32-2 record
.382 winning percentage
Fired

Dan McCarneys last 5 years
27-35
.435 winning percentage
Fired

So basically we fired DMac for having a better winning percentage than CPR
 

Cyinthenorth

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Let's put this another way: Coaching scenarios.

Terry Allen
1997-2001
21-35 record
.375 winning percentage
Fired

Ron Zook2005-2011
34-51 record
.400 winning percentage
Fired

CPR
2009-2013
25-33 record
.431 winning percentage

Ron Prince
2006-2008
17-20 record
.459 winning percentage
Fired

Dave Wannstedt
2005-2010
42-31 record
.575 winning percentage
Fired

Or in Iowa State perspective:

Jim Criner
17-25 record
.405 winning percentage
Fired

Jim Waldens first 5 years
21-32-2 record
.382 winning percentage
Fired

Dan McCarneys last 5 years
27-35
.435 winning percentage
Fired

So basically we fired DMac for having a better winning percentage than CPR
Some sobering numbers you have there.
 

Brad4Cyclones

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Let's put this another way: Coaching scenarios.

Terry Allen
1997-2001
21-35 record
.375 winning percentage
Fired

Ron Zook2005-2011
34-51 record
.400 winning percentage
Fired

CPR
2009-2013
25-33 record
.431 winning percentage

Ron Prince
2006-2008
17-20 record
.459 winning percentage
Fired

Dave Wannstedt
2005-2010
42-31 record
.575 winning percentage
Fired

Or in Iowa State perspective:

Jim Criner
17-25 record
.405 winning percentage
Fired

Jim Waldens first 5 years
21-32-2 record
.382 winning percentage
Fired

Dan McCarneys last 5 years
27-35
.435 winning percentage
Fired

So basically we fired DMac for having a better winning percentage than CPR

Listen you are an idiot. Why are we comparing the last 5 years of an 11 year coach and comparing him to the first 5 years of CPR?

And let's go Dan McCarney overall.
First 5 years: 19-37 .339%
Last 5 years: 27-35 .435%

Paul Rhoads
First 5 years: 24-27 .471%

So look at the first 5 or last 5 and neither were as good as Rhoads in his first 5. And Rhoads played a 1,000 times harder schedule than Dan McCarney played. It's not even close to the same schedule.
 

Wesley

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Umm, Ron Prince was tanking the program Snyder built, and the Ancient One decided that he wanted to come back.
If we have someone like that lined up, sure, let's fire away.

The Ancient One (ie Lazurus) came back because the football being played in his namesake stadium was looking like crap. So far, they have three wins this year and Sagarin has them at #32. We are at #76 and sinking. This is the lowest Sagarin ranking for us in five years. Danny Mac and No Texas is at #68. Glad we do not play the Mean Green this year.