I was taping a couple of other shows and working on my fence outside. I checked espn3 but it was blacked out, so I kept track of the score thru cbs sports. At ten, I tuned in to watch the ugly ending.
Baylor vs Iowa for all the marbles in NIT Gamethread On ESPN @ 8 PM
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Austin had 5 blocks and 2 steals, and who knows how many more shots altered. That was a key part of the game that was overlooked by hawkfans posts here and on HN. He really dominated down low. They had no answer. Split identity posts that statistically the game was even sans the FG%, and that was not the case at all in those 2 team categories.
Fran kept the press on with 2 minutes and change left, and Baylor kept beating it for massive dunks. That rubbed hawk fans the wrong way, but Fran didn't call off the dogs when the game was clearly over. He was trying to cling to a sliver of hope and instead got Dunk City'D on.
Austin had 5 blocks and 2 steals, and who knows how many more shots altered. That was a key part of the game that was overlooked by hawkfans posts here and on HN. He really dominated down low. They had no answer. Split identity posts that statistically the game was even sans the FG%, and that was not the case at all in those 2 team categories.
Fran kept the press on with 2 minutes and change left, and Baylor kept beating it for massive dunks. That rubbed hawk fans the wrong way, but Fran didn't call off the dogs when the game was clearly over. He was trying to cling to a sliver of hope and instead got Dunk City'D on.
That is true. For the first time really since Gessell got hurt, Iowa's lack of true PG play (healthy PG play, rather), really showed. Iowa really didn't have anybody who could pass the ball with any great accuracy. Clemons has been ok in some games, but a liability in others. Last night, he was a complete non-factor. Marble has played the point well, but it's not his true position. When you're playing a team like Baylor, who has athletes and quickness all over the floor, that's going to kill you.
That, and when you miss roughly 15 lay-ups or point blank shots, that'll kill you too. Iowa had 20 more shots than Baylor did last night, but 8 fewer field goals. If only the Hawks could have shot their average, the game would have been drastically different.
Oh well. If if ands and buts were candy and nuts.
You played a team with three '13 draft picks. Let's not just brush under the rug that Iowa is on a different planet in terms of talent than Baylor and that affects fg%.
Feels so good that ISU is 2x NIT Champion in 2013 in addition to playing two great games in the real tournament.
What Iowa fans don't realize is that Pierre Jackson missed a lot of good looks in the first half, but Isaiah Austin made up for that with his good play. When Jackson started to hit some shots in the 2nd, along with distribute the bball, game over.
Not even close. The 23 point beatdown of KU would have been our biggest game this year. Also the NIT is never the super bowl for a program that made 2 elite 8's in the last 3 years.
It's nice to win but other than validating that you were a better quality team than the NIT field and probably the last few in the NCAA's that simply caught bad breaks it doesn't mean much. Better to win it than lose it though.
I do think ISU probably enjoyed our winning it as much as we did based on who we beat.
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Don't sweat it dude. It's an inside joke. Iowa fans always like to make the claim that the only reason that ISU ever beats them is because ISU cares more about the rivalry than they do, and it's ISU's "Superbowl." So, anytime Iowa loses, it's become common for people to suggest that playing Iowa is just the other team's "Superbowl" as well.
This. If you are going to press that late down 20 against a PG like Jackson, expect to get dunked on.
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They were right. Iowa matches up much better with ISU than they do Baylor. ISU matches up with Baylor better than they do Iowa. That's basketball for you.
Obviously, a great shooting night takes care of some of those matchup issues.
the excuses i am hearing from hawk fans today is hilarious
"iowa was tried, they should have had an extra day to rest"
"baylor isn't good they just got lucky"
"baylor played dirty and the refs were against iowa all game"
"game was rigged because ncaa didn't want iowa to win, showing they made a mistake in not letting iowa into the ncaa tourny"
"iowa was tried, they should have had an extra day to rest"
"baylor isn't good they just got lucky"
"baylor played dirty and the refs were against iowa all game"
"game was rigged because ncaa didn't want iowa to win, showing they made a mistake in not letting iowa into the ncaa tourny"
ISU didn't shoot the ball that bad against Iowa (except for Clyburn). IIRC, they still made about 10 3-pointers and shot somewhere around 40%. The difference in the Iowa game was turning the ball over damn near 20 times (most forced by the Hawks) and playing **** poor defense against the Hawks.
A lot of that came in garbage time when we were frantically trying to catch up. For most of the game, we shot pretty bad.
Not disagreeing, just saying how Hawk fans aren't giving credit to Baylor's length or defense as to their poor shooting.
Wichita State 75 Iowa 63
Virginia Tech 95 Iowa 79
Michigan 95 Iowa 67
Indiana 73 Iowa 60
Baylor 74 Iowa 54
No offense, but you really have no idea what you are talking about. ISU was never down by more then 10 in that game and, assuming my memory is not too bad, I don't recall either team making a field goal in the last 5 minutes of that game.
Looking at the box score, ISU was down by 5 with 5 minutes left, and didn't make a single field goal after that point (missed 8 FG's in the last 5 minutes). If anything, ISU shot pretty well for most the game, and didn't shoot worth a crap in the last 5 minutes.
Again, the reason ISU lost the Iowa game was turnovers and lack of defense...it had nothing to do with shooting.
Edit: I take some of that back...getting outscored 13-3 in the first 6 minutes of the second half was the death nail for ISU in that game.
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That's the reason Iowa matches up well with ISU. ISU would score on Iowa, they'd score on anyone. However, they don't really have the ability to punish Iowa for playing without a true point guard (or playing Clemons who gets rattled easily by tough pressure defense) and they don't have enough size inside to protect the rim and force Iowa to take contested jumpshots.
On the other end Iowa has a good enough defense to at least make ISU make contested shots and they can apply enough pressure to make Lucious do Lucious things.
None of that applies for Iowa against Baylor.
