Using water for fuel

[The_Architect]

Has anyone ever heard of this? I wish I had a junker sitting around that I would try it on. My car I'm driving now is too nice to risk it...

Water Car Run on WATER+Fuel. Hydrogen Save Gas=FREE ENERGY!

Thoughts?

 

[lennon3]

I didn't really read it at all, but that kinda looks like one of those scamming websites!!

 

[brianhos]

Where ya gonna get the hydrogen? It takes more energy to split the Hydrogen and Oxygen than you get by burning the hyrdogen, so this method does not really work.

But if we move to all nuclear power, it would work much better if the electricity were free.

 

[The_Architect]

Where ya gonna get the hydrogen? It takes more energy to split the Hydrogen and Oxygen than you get by burning the hyrdogen, so this method does not really work.

From the link:

"We have developed devices that use a little electricity out of your car's battery, to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns beautifully and provides TONS of energy - while the end product is just WATER! Mobile Magazine says HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the chemical stability of water."

 

[The_Architect]

Also, I found this site linked from a "fairly" reputable source. FWIW.

 

[The_Architect]

I wonder what you would do in the winter time (assuming this worked). You wouldn't want to have to hook up un-frozen water every day...

 

[brianhos]

From the link:

"We have developed devices that use a little electricity out of your car's battery, to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns beautifully and provides TONS of energy - while the end product is just WATER! Mobile Magazine says HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the chemical stability of water."

If that really worked, these guys would be multi trillionaires, but alas, the harsh and cruel laws of physics and chemistry outwit their snake oil sales again.

 

[tejasclone]

Help me out here...what is the difference between HHO and H20? I thought 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen made water?

 

[The_Architect]

If that really worked, these guys would be multi trillionaires, but alas, the harsh and cruel laws of physics and chemistry outwit their snake oil sales again.

While you're probably right(too good to be true I'm sure), what is wrong in your opinion with the claim(I dont understand the chemistry)?

 

[chadm]

From the link:

"We have developed devices that use a little electricity out of your car's battery, to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns beautifully and provides TONS of energy - while the end product is just WATER! Mobile Magazine says HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the chemical stability of water."

Or as most call it H2O. Water is only a gas after evaporation and then it is not flamable.

 

[brianhos]

Help me out here...what is the difference between HHO and H20? I thought 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen made water?

It is just water.. HHO is just a way to call it water while making it sound technical.


<<--Chemistry Minor in college.

 

[The_Architect]

 

[The_Architect]

Good, I was hoping some chemistry gurus would chime in

 

[jbhtexas]

Help me out here...what is the difference between HHO and H20? I thought 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen made water?

Oxyhydrogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[lennon3]

I am not meaning to doubt you, it just looks similar to sites that you would know are scams. It just seems comparable with the never ending scroll, lots of testimonials, etc. Here is one that you would assume is a scam and they just look the same to me!

Making Millionaires Online

 

[brianhos]

While you're probably right(too good to be true I'm sure), what is wrong in your opinion with the claim(I dont understand the chemistry)?

The problem is, water is not flammable as we all know. But it's two components Hydrogen, and Oxygen are very flammable. The hindenburgh was a hydrogen balloon, and look what happend to it from a spark of static electricity.

To get Hydrogen out of water, you have to use electrolosis, and that takes a ton of energy to break the Hydrogen/Oxygen bond. It takes more energy to break that bond that is created from burning the hyrdogen.

Now if you have either a cheap source of hydrogen (fossil fuels are a good source) or a cheap source of electricity, you can make the hydrogen car work. In Iceland it is working rather well because they basically have limitless free electricty that comes from geothermal generation. So in that instance, they can make hyrdrogen cheaply and basically give it away for use in automobiles.

But just pouring water in your tank and breaking it up there will just not work.

 

[The_Architect]

I am not meaning to doubt you, it just looks similar to sites that you would know are scams. It just seems comparable with the never ending scroll, lots of testimonials, etc. Here is one that you would assume is a scam and they just look the same to me!

Making Millionaires Online

No worries, I completely agree. Normally I'd think the same thing if I hadn't stumbled across the link where I did.

 

[ajk4st8]

was this written by the guy with the suit with all the question marks on it?

 

[1100011CS]

I'm not claiming this idea will work but... I have a hydrogen powered rocket that uses water. You mix some powder in with the water (I believe it's some kind of acid) then run some electricity through it (powered by batteries) which creates the hydrogen. Then you launch it by pressing a butten that runs electricity (again, battery powered) to a little wire that heats up like a light bulb which ignites the hydrogen gas. All pretty similar to what this site it proposing. Although, I have to doubt that you can just mix in the hydrogen gas with gasoline and everything will be fine.

 

[1100011CS]

The problem is, water is not flammable as we all know. But it's two components Hydrogen, and Oxygen are very flammable. The hindenburgh was a hydrogen balloon, and look what happend to it from a spark of static electricity.

To get Hydrogen out of water, you have to use electrolosis, and that takes a ton of energy to break the Hydrogen/Oxygen bond. It takes more energy to break that bond that is created from burning the hyrdogen.

Now if you have either a cheap source of hydrogen (fossil fuels are a good source) or a cheap source of electricity, you can make the hydrogen car work. In Iceland it is working rather well because they basically have limitless free electricty that comes from geothermal generation. So in that instance, they can make hyrdrogen cheaply and basically give it away for use in automobiles.

But just pouring water in your tank and breaking it up there will just not work.

In this case the "cheap" electricity would be the cars generator I suppose.