Tom Herman to Ohio State (Confirmed)

[klamath632]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

The only game our offense really looked overmatched was the Oklahoma game and well...

I see you've done a far better job of erasing that Missouri "game" out of your mind than I have from mine.

 

[BirdOfWar]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Being able to learn from the offensive mind of Urban Meyer would be great for any offensive coordinator. Herman is still young...it may be a good career move for him.

This is kind of what I was thinking as well. If he went to Ohio State he might not get paid more, but being able to learn from Urban Meyer is a huge plus. And if he does want to be a head coach some day then the experience of working with him is invaluable.

 

[Yes13]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

The guy seems to have a chip on his shoulder, I'm not sure a downgrade in responsibilities is in his best interests.

If this does happen it looks terrible on our program.

 

[mt85]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Going from a BCS offensive coordinator to a BCS position coach is not a step forward. Position coaches rarely if ever get hired to become head coaches.

This would be a terrible career decision if what he is truly being offered is just a QB coaching position. It is far more marketable to prove that you can get the job done as a coordinator at a school like ISU then it is at a school like OSU.

 

[Trice]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

People. He's the OC of a school that's going to score like a pinball machine in arguably the best conference with a young clan of weapons.

Scot Loeffler was QB coach for Meyer a few years back, and he translated that into an OC position.

At Temple.

No way Herman leaves to be a peon coach in a non-quarterback league for a shattered program led by a guy with an anxiety disorder.

The position is a great opportunity for someone. Just not him, and certainly not now. If he was offered and took that position, I'd be glad, because it would make me realize that he's too stupid to coach in this business (he isn't, obviously!) and I'd prefer not to have someone with brain damage running our shiny new offense next year.

You have my personal guarantee that this will not happen. Redeemable at any Wal-Mart. Some restrictions apply.

Whole lotta bravado here, and not much sense.

 

[Sandman]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

This rumor seems to be picking up steam, so I'm not sure. Perhaps Urban Meyer hinted that this could be a stepping stone to an OC job in a couple of years. I can't see Herman staying as a QB coach at OSU while being paid like an OC. It would limit his ability to move back up to OC at other schools, and position coaches, even at Ohio State, don't usually jump straight to a HC job elsewhere. The OC position at OSU might be his in the future.

 

[ca4cy]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Coaching is about who you know. Urban Meyer >>>>> Paul Rhoads. Ohio State is also more visible. If he can do a half decent job getting Urban a quarterback that looks good (should be easy when they get to pick who they want) he'll be able to move up either as a coordinator in a good program or head coach in some capacity...even if it is a smaller school.

You sure about that? ESPN obviously has a stiffy for Urb, but how respected is he in coaching circles compared to CPR? Rhoads seems to have more clout that most would give him credit for. He was respected enough to grab one of the best defensive minds in college football as his DC before he'd ever spent a minute as head coach. While Rhoads seems to be one of the hot topic coaches in the country, there seems to be a growing sentiment that Meyer is a certified ***-hole.

If nothing else, it seems safe to say that CPR is a lot more genuine than Urb will ever be accused of being.

 

[oldman]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Do Urban Meyer's teams normally play Herman's type of offense? As successful as Meyer has been, I'm reasonably sure he has a pet style of offense he likes to use. I don't follow his teams much, so I don't know, I'm asking.

 

[Trice]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

You sure about that? ESPN obviously has a stiffy for Urb, but how respected is he in coaching circles compared to CPR? Rhoads seems to have more clout that most would give him credit for. He was respected enough to grab one of the best defensive minds in college football as his DC before he'd ever spent a minute as head coach. While Rhoads seems to be one of the hot topic coaches in the country, there seems to be a growing sentiment that Meyer is a certified ***-hole.

If nothing else, it seems safe to say that CPR is a lot more genuine than Urb will ever be accused of being.

I'm sorry, but Urban Meyer certainly has more cache in any circles - coaching, recruiting, whatever - than Paul Rhoads. I LOVE Rhoads but at this point it isn't even a question. Meyer has undefeated seasons and national championships under his belt.

I'm not knocking ISU or anyone associated with ISU in any way. We're building something special. But even a damaged OSU and a wishy-washy Urban Meyer command more respect than Rhoads and ISU.

 

[Wesley]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Tom is just about ready to benefit from his work come next year with JB. Of course, he left a prolific crew waiting at Rice also.

 

[MLawrence]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

He was respected enough to grab one of the best defensive minds in college football as his DC before he'd ever spent a minute as head coach.

I think it was the fact that Wally gets to work with his son rather than Rhoads simply offering him the DC position.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

I see you've done a far better job of erasing that Missouri "game" out of your mind than I have from mine.

The Missouri game wasn't pretty on the scoreboard that is for sure. Then you look at the stats and ISU had almost 350 yards, 17 first downs, Jantz was playing hurt, we turned it over 3 times, etc.... The turnovers were killers but I would say that our defense was the side of the ball that got hammered on in that game.... not the offense. They gave up nearly 600 yards, allowed Mizzou to convert almost 70% on 3rd downs, gave up 52 points, and that includes the 3 turnovers that they forced. Imagine what those stats would look like without 3 Mizzou drives ending early? 700 yards? 73 points? Ouch.

That game was a true turning point for the defense and you could say the same for the offense. The D was much improved after the Missouri embarrassment and after a series in the A&M game Barnett was in at QB. 3 wins later.... bowl game.

Total offense first 6 games
382 yards per game

Total offense last 6 games
404 yards per game

Keep in mind the level of competition went up in the final 6 games with Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State. Those final 6 games were all with a redshirt freshman running the show as well.

 

[cyclone13]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Right now the only person who can answer the question is Herman himself. Everyone has different values and strategies as well as thought processes.
We don't know whether Herman is someone who is willing to take a step back.

Quarterbacks coach Nick Siciliano’s base salary is $250,000 based on Here’s the Deal… | Fear The Hat

It's the same amount as what Herman makes now although his contract is up at the end of this season.
Rhoads’ coaches at ISU are paid better than Chizik’s « The ‘Clone Zone

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

I'm sorry, but Urban Meyer certainly has more cache in any circles - coaching, recruiting, whatever - than Paul Rhoads. I LOVE Rhoads but at this point it isn't even a question. Meyer has undefeated seasons and national championships under his belt.

I'm not knocking ISU or anyone associated with ISU in any way. We're building something special. But even a damaged OSU and a wishy-washy Urban Meyer command more respect than Rhoads and ISU.

It is a terrible move if he makes it. Very smart to talk to Urban Meyer and build a relationship there for future openings. Very dumb to take that discount offer. Urban looks good convincing an OC from a good BCS school to take a massive demotion, but Herman just moves himself from a rising star to a Chuck Long.

He's not taking it unless he's way dumber than I thought.

He's on their wish list. They aren't on his (at that position).

 

[IcSyU]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

You sure about that? ESPN obviously has a stiffy for Urb, but how respected is he in coaching circles compared to CPR? Rhoads seems to have more clout that most would give him credit for. He was respected enough to grab one of the best defensive minds in college football as his DC before he'd ever spent a minute as head coach. While Rhoads seems to be one of the hot topic coaches in the country, there seems to be a growing sentiment that Meyer is a certified ***-hole.

If nothing else, it seems safe to say that CPR is a lot more genuine than Urb will ever be accused of being.

You can't be serious. Coach Rhoads doesn't touch Urban Meyer and it isn't even close. I don't think there's a coach in the Big 12 who touches Urban Meyer. Mack Brown and Bob Stoops have both had success, but neither has titles under their belt. Meyer's WORST season as a head coach is 8-5. His .819 winning percentage as a head coach smokes Brown's .670 and is slightly better than Stoops' .802 winning percentage....but Meyer actually wins his bowl games (7-1...decent enough for an .875 winning percentage).

 

[Sandman]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

You can't be serious. Coach Rhoads doesn't touch Urban Meyer and it isn't even close. I don't think there's a coach in the Big 12 who touches Urban Meyer. Mack Brown and Bob Stoops have both had success, but neither has titles under their belt. Meyer's WORST season as a head coach is 8-5. His .819 winning percentage as a head coach smokes Brown's .670 and is slightly better than Stoops' .802 winning percentage....but Meyer actually wins his bowl games (7-1...decent enough for an .875 winning percentage).

Mack Brown and Stoops have both won national titles, though.

 

[Yes13]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

You can't be serious. Coach Rhoads doesn't touch Urban Meyer and it isn't even close. I don't think there's a coach in the Big 12 who touches Urban Meyer. Mack Brown and Bob Stoops have both had success, but neither has titles under their belt. Meyer's WORST season as a head coach is 8-5. His .819 winning percentage as a head coach smokes Brown's .670 and is slightly better than Stoops' .802 winning percentage....but Meyer actually wins his bowl games (7-1...decent enough for an .875 winning percentage).

He was talking relationship wise, not accomplishments. Urban Meyer probably isn't very well liked around the coaching world.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Tom is just about ready to benefit from his work come next year with JB. Of course, he left a prolific crew waiting at Rice also.

Huge difference heft Rice for a promotion into the BCS. He leaves an opportunity to be Big 12's hot OC next year to what, coach a running quarterback in someone else's offense?

There are way better OC positions that are going to open this season. If Herman wants to leave, he'll take one of those, or maybe a head coaching gig. But think, people, think: if you were a vice president in charge of strategy, why would you take an internship?

Urban Meyer is a great coach, but he's not exactly a coach's cradle. This isn't a good opportunity (if, in fact, it exists.)

 

[IcSyU]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Mack Brown and Stoops have both won national titles, though.

Don't they each only have 1?

 

[klamath632]

Re: Herman to Ohio State?

Don't they each only have 1?

I don't have any evidence to back it up, but I'm going out on a limb when I assert that the majority of coaches who have national championships under their belt "only" have 1. It's not like there's a whole lot of them out there.