Maybe ISU needs to start cheating

[Hugs4ISU]

I say that with a really scary amount of seriousness. I wish I was being sarcastic about this. But, as it turns out, schools that are penalized by the NCAA for cheating end up doing BETTER after the sanctions!

How do such powerhouse football programs ultimately fare after major NCAA sanctions? Are some simply too big to fail?


Recent cases suggest that. The Miami Hurricanes, hit with NCAA penalties for lack of institutional control in 1995, won the 2001 national title. And Alabama, sanctioned in 2002, won it in 2009.


A 2007 study by Chad McEvoy, an associate professor of sport management at Illinois State, found that the five-year winning percentages of 35 teams sanctioned over a 15-year period ending in 2002 actually rose, from .547 to .566 in the five years after they were penalized by the NCAA.
Even among 10 schools hit with what were considered the most serious sanctions, the winning percentage dipped only slightly, from .634 to .614.

Are Ohio State, USC too big to be hurt by NCAA penalties? - USATODAY.com

 

[cayin]

Then the NCAA needs to have harsher penalties. I mean schools should not be rewarded for cheating. The win when the cheat and the win in the aftermath. Why not cheat then?

 

[xboxfever]

ISU does not have the money or boosters to cheat with the top programs. Those other schools can cheat because of the money they get from boosters and alumni.

 

[Bipolarcy]

I say that with a really scary amount of seriousness. I wish I was being sarcastic about this. But, as it turns out, schools that are penalized by the NCAA for cheating end up doing BETTER after the sanctions!



Are Ohio State, USC too big to be hurt by NCAA penalties? - USATODAY.com

Who says we aren't already cheating?

 

[GMackey32]

3 words:

"Honor Before Victory"

 

[00clone]

I'm not an ISU fan because they do good in sports. I'm an ISU fan because ISU is a big part of who I am. Because of that, I'd rather see them lose cleanly than to win cheating. I'd love see them become a reliably good team in Football and Basketball, but not if it takes cheating. If that's the case, I'd rather have them win in the FCS division.

 

[CyAg]

Honor Before Victory. We had a player die for honor, not cheating.

Choose what you want.

 

[craigbrackins21]

3 words:

"Honor Before Victory"

This.

 

[AlleyAddict]

This is a terrible thread.

 

[xboxfever]

3 words:

"Honor Before Victory"

And this kind of attitude is why ISU will never win a championship.

 

[Cyched]

I'm not an ISU fan because they do good in sports. I'm an ISU fan because ISU is a big part of who I am. Because of that, I'd rather see them lose cleanly than to win cheating. I'd love see them become a reliably good team in Football and Basketball, but not if it takes cheating. If that's the case, I'd rather have them win in the FCS division.

This.

Ideally we'll win by building a program the right way. That's the kind of reputation I want ISU to have. Not just another school that got good by cheating.

 

[CyDude16]

3 words:

"Honor Before Victory"

This schtick is getting old.... Those words hardly mean anything these days.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

This schtick is getting old.... Those words hardly mean anything these days.

I agree. It would be nice to get to "Honor AND Victory" for a change.

 

[GMackey32]

This schtick is getting old.... Those words hardly mean anything these days.

How about you tell Rhoads that.

 

[GMackey32]

And this kind of attitude is why ISU will never win a championship.

Never is a really, really long time. I'll take that bet.

 

[LindenCy]

I'd rather have us go to NAIA status than be cheating. That said, the NCAA is a joke and what constitutes "cheating" for many schools is almost unethical. Like that example from a few years back when Rick Majerus bought a kid some McDonalds after he got horrible news. That is cheating? yet this Auburn stuff goes through...a huge joke.

 

[Cyched]

I'd rather have us go to NAIA status than be cheating. That said, the NCAA is a joke and what constitutes "cheating" for many schools is almost unethical. Like that example from a few years back when Rick Majerus bought a kid some McDonalds after he got horrible news. That is cheating? yet this Auburn stuff goes through...a huge joke.

Exactly. Like CyDude said earlier this thread, the phrase "Honor Before Victory" is pretty much moot. The sad thing is it will remain that way until there is real change implemented in the way the NCAA performs its duties.

I'm normally in favor of self governance, but I would have absolutely no problem with Congress or the Dept. of Justice intervening and investigating the NCAA. At the very least look into their nonprofit status.

 

[Drive4cy]

It's pretty naive to think we don't cheat or cut corners at all. Obviously not to the extent of USC, the SEC, or Ohio State but come on. All the big conference schools do some shady things once in awhile. I doubt we're the lone exception.

 

[CyDude16]

I agree. It would be nice to get to "Honor AND Victory" for a change.

Agreed

How about you tell Rhoads that.

I wasn't implying we should cheat. But you must really be naive if you don't think we have cut corners or have acted at least a little bit shady in dealings. I would like to see us start getting wins, and if it means we have to commit some small violations, then I'm perfectly okay with that.

 

[CloneIce]

It wouldn't bother me at all if we cheated, since I believe most of our competition does.