NFL: Bigger bust NFL

[Knownothing]

JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf? I would say Russell. He even held out as a rookie and was drafted number 1. I would say Tony Mandarich is in the discusion just due to the fact he was drafted ahead of Barry Sanders.

Oakland Raiders say they did all they could to aid JaMarcus Russell - ESPN

 

[CPRsavedMYlife]

The prestigious honor of biggest NFL bust has to belong to JaMarcus Russell.

 

[RING4CY]

I just can't buy this "because he was drafted #1, makes him the bigger bust," argument.

The obvious answer is Ryan Leaf. And it is because of Peyton Manning. The reason I say that is because Peyton Manning is a Super Bowl winning quarterback, and right now, has arguments for him for being one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time.

If you take Leaf over Manning, that is a bigger swing and a miss and strikeout than JaMarcus Russell.

 

[d4nim4l]

Leaf is the bigger bust because of the hype surrounding him when he came out.

When Russell was drafted there were many people who questioned his work ethic and ability to lead but Al Davis got obsessed with his cannon arm and took him anyway. Leaf was rated by a lot of people to have higher upside than Manning (largely due to Manning never winning the "big one") and was seen as "can't miss".

As RING4CY just said, if you take Leaf over Manning in that draft you have a much bigger swing and miss than when someone took Russell.

 

[Knownothing]

The obvious answer is Ryan Leaf. And it is because of Peyton Manning. The reason I say that is because Peyton Manning is a Super Bowl winning quarterback, and right now, has arguments for him for being one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time.

If you take Leaf over Manning, that is a bigger swing and a miss and strikeout than JaMarcus Russell.

I could agree. Now make the arguement that Manderich was not a bigger bust then Leif since Barry Sanders was drafted after him and he was one of the biggest busts.

 

[WalkingCY]

Russell.

"This guy sucks!"

 

[tman24]

Its not bust its upside deficient.

 

[GeneralHouston]

The obvious answer is Ryan Leaf. And it is because of Peyton Manning. The reason I say that is because Peyton Manning is a Super Bowl winning quarterback, and right now, has arguments for him for being one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time.

If you take Leaf over Manning, that is a bigger swing and a miss and strikeout than JaMarcus Russell.

Manning went #1, Leaf #2. Manning's greatness has very little impact on Leaf.

 

[weR138]

The prestigious honor of biggest NFL bust has to belong to JaMarcus Russell.

Not yet. We can say Leaf busted, it's over. JR could become someone's rebuilding project.*

* Very doubtful.

 

[CYphyllis]

Leaf. Russel has helped introduce the world to Purple Drank which is much more important then anything Leaf has ever done.

 

[CyJack13]

I'm going to say Leaf, although that's partly to do with the success of Manning. If Tim Couch had went first and Leaf second then I might view it differently, but Leaf/Manning was a legitimate debate going into that draft. Russell was never a unanimous top pick as he had plenty of critics questioning his accuracy and work ethic before the draft.

 

[Cloner97]

Russell for shizzle

 

[RING4CY]

Manning went #1, Leaf #2. Manning's greatness has very little impact on Leaf.

And if Leaf goes #1 to the Colts, Manning goes #2 to the Chargers, and the Manning breaks records & wins a Super Bowl with the Chargers?

 

[RING4CY]

I'm going to say Leaf, although that's partly to do with the success of Manning. If Tim Couch had went first and Leaf second then I might view it differently, but Leaf/Manning was a legitimate debate going into that draft. Russell was never a unanimous top pick as he had plenty of critics questioning his accuracy and work ethic before the draft.

Bingo...

 

[3TrueFans]

Leaf by a long shot. Lots of people thought Russell was suspect before the draft.

 

[GeronimusClone]

At least Leaf gave us a good meltdown clip before he left.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMe0Rz1frdE]YouTube - Ryan Leaf[/ame]

 

[chadly82]

Leaf no question. Al Davis loved the arm to throw go routes and thats why he went number 1 thats it. All the more reason he took DHB over Crabtree....only cuz the 40 time was faster and he wanted that big arm to throw to someone really fast that cant catch

 

[ksclone]

I go with Leaf as the bigger bust in this discussion. That written, watching the draft with my in-law this year when the Raiders were on the clock, this came out of my mouth:
"And now, we find out who the bust of the first round will be."
Sorry to Rolando McClain, but the Raiders recent history doesn't bode well.

 

[Cyforce]

Tony Mandarich, As the 1989 draft approached, Mandarich was the highest-rated player on the board. Higher than Troy Aikman. Higher than Barry Sanders. Higher than Deion Sanders and Derrick Thomas. It was on. He had serious clout. Mandarich could call his own shot. Everyone had bought in.

 

[heitclone]

I'm going to say Leaf, although that's partly to do with the success of Manning. If Tim Couch had went first and Leaf second then I might view it differently, but Leaf/Manning was a legitimate debate going into that draft. Russell was never a unanimous top pick as he had plenty of critics questioning his accuracy and work ethic before the draft.

Exactly, Russell was riding the momentum of a good bowl game and his physical tools made him the top QB in that draft. Basically he was drafted for what he could develop into, Leaf was thought of as a can't miss prospect.