Why stars don't mean anything

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  1. agcy68

    agcy68 Well-Known Member

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    #1 agcy68, Feb 7, 2008
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    So, yesterday before the battle heated up, Sedrick Johnson was a 4 star recruit, 6-4/180, and I thought I remember his posted speed was 4.46.

    Today, after the battle is over, he is a 3-star recruit, 6-3.5, 196 and his speed is listed at 4.6.

    Poor kid, just because he choose the "lowly" cyclones, he is shorter, slower, and has lost a star. If I were him, I would put this up in my locker and use every day to prove that he is worth the 4-stars that they originally gave him.

    PS: I found older article that claimed a 4.6 speed so that may be inaccurate. However, every article until today had him as a 4-star recruit.
     
  2. kingcy

    kingcy Well-Known Member

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    At thies point it doesnt matter. He is now a Clone and what matters is what he does on the field. Stars, class ranking I have heard enough of that, we will see how this class works out in 2 to 4 years. You can put all kinds of stars behind a guys name but unless he has coaching and motivation it really doesnt matter. Sometimes 3 star kids are better, they have had to work at least a little to get where they are, and know they have to work hard to get better.
     
  3. agcy68

    agcy68 Well-Known Member

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    No doubt, but it just shines a little light on what the stars mean. I fully agree that it isn't the number of stars that a kid has but their work ethic and on field attitude. Even so, it is still a lot easier to get excited about more stars than less.

    Again, just goes to show how much credibility the ratings of the experts really means.
     
  4. cyclone14

    cyclone14 Member

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    Stars do mean something, but not with individual players. It is a good way to distinguish the best classes, but there will still be some surprises.
     
  5. CrossCyed

    CrossCyed Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure he's still a 4-star. Unless CR is simply ******* with us.
     
  6. cycfan1

    cycfan1 Well-Known Member

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    He was always a 3 star on Scout and a 4 star on Rivals. None of the measurements are official so they may vary by source.
     
  7. Wesley

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    He looks like a great person to me. Hard worker. Ennis comes to mind. If may play harder than a five star.
     
  8. agcy68

    agcy68 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, I was looking at Scout which had him as a 4 star before he signed with Iowa State.
     
  9. anticyclonic

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    As Jon Miller said yesterday, they are listed 4/5 stars when the are a commit for Notre Dame or Alabama, but if they are an ISU/Iowa commit they are a 3 star player at best. I have a great feeling about this recruiting class-lots of speed.
     
  10. no2cyclones

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    You're definitely wrong on this. I remember looking at his profiles on both Scout and Rivals, and one had him as a 3-star and the other as a 4-star WR.
     
  11. CYVADER

    CYVADER Well-Known Member

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    you sir, would be correct.
     
  12. cjbogler

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    I was reading about how they judge four stars and three stars and they said most of the 3 stars could be four stars and the two stars could be three stars. They just cannot have over half the class being 4 star recruits. They are kind of grading these rankings on a curve. 10- five star players, 50-four star players, and so on.

    I also read how to build a national championship with 3-star players and Jerimiah Schwarts was on that list at full back. He is only listed at a 2-star on some sites and a 3 on others. So i totally agree with you that stars dont mean everything.
     
  13. Prone2Clone

    Prone2Clone Well-Known Member

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    Now the Star-bellied Sneetches had bellies with stars.
    The Plain-bellied Sneetches had none upon thars.
    The stars weren't so big; they were really quite small.
    You would think such a thing wouldn't matter at all.
    But because they had stars, all the Star-bellied Sneetches
    would brag, "We're the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches."

    With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they'd snort, "
    We'll have nothing to do with the plain-bellied sort."
    And whenever they met some, when they were out walking,
    they'd hike right on past them without even talking.

    When the Star-bellied children went out to play ball,
    could the Plain-bellies join in their game? Not at all!
    You could only play ball if your bellies had stars,
    and the Plain-bellied children had none upon thars.
     
  14. Cyclone90

    Cyclone90 Well-Known Member

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    NFL teams spend millions of dollars evaluating talent and they still get stuck with lame draft picks who don't pan out. Most probably don't as a matter of fact. It would be interesting to see how 1st rounders have turned out through their career. You get stars for being big and/or fast and that's about it. In the college game you certainly can win games if you accumulate plenty of these players, but it doesn't mean the 2-3 stars can't turn out to be better football players than the raw athletes. From what I saw last year, I'm confident our staff can "coach them up".
     
  15. iowa_wildcat

    iowa_wildcat Well-Known Member

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    If stars were worth anything, Notre Dame would be a top 10 team every year.
     
  16. scottie33

    scottie33 Well-Known Member

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    Haha good point.

    But what I like about Chizik in his post-NSD interview, he said "we went to a high school and asked who their best player was and recruited them, it didn't matter who else was after them, we went after their best player." He also stated that, "We didn't go to teh school and asked for their best player that hadn't been committed"

    I likey!!!
     
  17. MontyBurns

    MontyBurns Well-Known Member

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    Chizik's previous experience is at Texas, Auburn, & Clemson. Those programs are all national football powers (real ones, they don't just pretend like Iowa). All of his experience has been going for the best players, not waiting for bigger programs to take who they want and getting the leftovers. Something we've sorely needed.
     

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