To foul or not to foul if up by 3?

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  1. wamfam

    wamfam Member

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    To foul or not to foul if up by 3? Why or why not?
     
  2. im4cyclones

    im4cyclones Well-Known Member

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    Here is one thought...

    Late game defensive strategy with a 3-point lead -- NBA research for 82games.com

     
  3. mj4cy

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    I'd kill to be in that position tomorrow night.
     
  4. awd4cy

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  5. kucyclone

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    If I was coaching, I'd try to have my team foul, but only if we had practiced good (non-shooting and non-flagrant) fouls. I'm shocked more teams don't just run through screens, or hold jerseys on off-ball cuts, in this scenario, because there is no chance it would be a shooting foul.
     
  6. tejasclone

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    #6 tejasclone, Jan 28, 2014
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    When the Cyclones are involved, either decision would invariably be the wrong one.

    Play defense, and that 13% 3PT shooter on the other team banks it in at the horn and the Clones go down in OT.

    Foul, and the 11% FT shooter on the other team makes the first to cut the deficit to 2, misses the second but his teammate gets the rebound, passes out, and another 13% 3PT shooter nets a 3 at the horn to win by 1.

    It will happen every time. Because Cyclones.
     
  7. cloneu

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    That depends, are you Iowa State or any other team at any level of basketball.
     
  8. TurbulentEddie

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    There are a lot of assumptions (which one has to take, so not bashing the guy) in the purely theoretical approach taken in the above link. Play-by-play data from actual games show it's not quite so clear cut and, with either method, the team up 3 wins over 90% of the time: the kenpom.com blog

    PHP:
              W   L   OT   Win%   Cases
    Foul    122   5   11   92.0    138
    Defend  598   2   76   93.5    676
     
  9. WastedTalent

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    Good idea, but have to be weary of the intentional foul or flagrant foul. These are very rarely called at the end of the game, but as stated before...Iowa State.
     
  10. NorthCyd

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    As if the dozens of other threads where people have argued in circles on this subject weren't enough...troll on.
     
  11. abe2010

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    only when the odds are long in the wrong direction can we make it happen
     
  12. 3TrueFans

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    Overall I don't think it matters, I prefer the idea of fouling with less than 5 seconds or so though.
     
  13. JWIL4CY

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    Whatever Fred chooses is the correct answer.
     
  14. 3TrueFans

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    Unless we lose.
     
  15. TurbulentEddie

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    Seems like the football team sucks up all the good karma every year :jimlad: :jimlad: :jimlad:
     
  16. CycloneErik

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    Never give away points. Don't foul.
     
  17. CYUL8R

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    would be interesting to see how many of those 'foul' decisions actually resulted in shots for the opposing team or if they were still under the bonus threshold...could have material impact to the decision.

    I'm SURE that most of them would create at least a 1-and-1 situation, but still, my curiosity is piqued.
     
  18. Doc

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    I don't care as long as they don't leave somebody wide open again like Pappapetrou or McCabe.
     
  19. 3TrueFans

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    If you have fouls to give it's a no brainer.
     
  20. TurbulentEddie

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    Yeah, the one strategy I definitely feel should always be employed is to use up any fouls to give in the backcourt to whittle away as much clock as possible away from the hoop. I *think* KenPom only considered in the "foul" cases fouls that led to foul shots, but not 100% sure.
     

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