Referee shortage nears crisis in Iowa

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  1. cyhiphopp

    cyhiphopp Well-Known Member

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    The number of stupid comments from parent thinking I care about who wins the game are laughable.

    I don't care if Timmy strikes out. I don't have a grudge against your team.

    I've only tossed one guy and that's because he wouldn't shut the hell up. Thought my dad did toss a guy for me when he was on the plate and a guy was arguing with me at first base. The coach assumed that because I was a young looking 18, that I must not know what I was doing and he could intimidate me. Coaches didn't mess with my dad much though.
     
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  2. LivntheCyLife

    LivntheCyLife Well-Known Member

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    I think every youth sport should shake hands with the refs after a game in addition to the other team. We need to emphasize that good sportsmanship includes how you interact with referees. Refs need to act professional and not be overly friendly or confrontational with players during a game, but we've created a culture that acts like referees aren't human beings.
     
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  3. CycloneErik

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    You're trying to screw all of us by standing up for referees.
     
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  4. harimad

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    10u parents are the worst. 12u parents are only slightly better. It isn't until 14u that parents have figured out its about the kids (and not the parents.) Basically... it gets better?
     
  5. NorthCyd

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    Yeah, cause lack of knowledge of the sport has everything to do with fans and coaches being critical of officials.
     
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  6. CyHans

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    I think the same can be said for coaching. You gotta just love the game and the kids to put up with the parental crap. That said, there are some bad coaches out there but I would bet a lot of good coaches have been driven out by bad parents.
     
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  7. IcSyU

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    Some of that is on officials. If you act approachable coaches handle it better than being the guy who appears disinterested in having any human contact. The best thing you can do (especially with kids) IS interact with them. I'd even argue that's how it should be up until freshman/JV. You're more or less a coach on the floor. Yes the kid has been in the lane for 8 seconds but don't whistle it....ask them to clear. Yes it's a hold away from the ball but just tell the kid to let go of the jersey. No one wants games with constant whistles so help where you can.

    If you blow a call and a coach is pissed at the next TO let them know that, "hey, I missed that. My bad." And they're much more likely not to fly off the handle at the next 50/50 call.

    And when a kid is being a prick because dad has a big mouth in the 4th row? Foul his ass out!
     
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  8. Clonefan32

    Clonefan32 Well-Known Member

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    Incessant-berating-of-official-guy has always intrigued me. How do they get through their day to day? How to do they react to important **** going wrong? Do they go home and feel embarassed?
     
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  9. Schfinkter

    Schfinkter Well-Known Member

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    I reffed wrestling for awhile. I got out of it mainly because of the pay. Nothing like giving up your entire night, being away from your family, having to travel often an hour or more to a place to ref, only to make a small amount. It just started to become not worth it. Yeah when I was in college and the first couple of years afterwards it was great because I could use the extra cash to buy beer, but now with kids at home and such it is just not worth it.

    The interview only touched on basketball refs, but I think the real crisis for the IAHSAA is wrestling refs. I know its a challenge to just get enough to handle the entire state tournament and some of those guys are not getting any younger.
     
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  10. IcSyU

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    If this is truly how you feel you're part of the problem. Most of the people who run their mouths are uneducated morons (and it happens at every sporting event). The smart people keep their mouths shut because they know nothing good comes of bitching. The idiots keep running their mouths because its not their kid's fault the official is out to get them.
     
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  11. jereseib

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    Serious question. Why do basketball officials pick and chose what to call? I see it in every game across every level, guy gets mugged while ref stands there, no foul, guy gets too close to another player 20 feet away from the ball, its clearly a foul.

    Basketball has to be the toughest for officials but at the same time the quality is really awful compared to other sports.
     
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  12. CYphyllis

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    I started reffing at the age of twelve and by fifteen I was doing adults. One thing I learned very quickly is that you have to be that authority figure yourself because there is no white knight coming to bail you out. The only way to deal with problems be it players, coaches or parents/fans is to nip that **** in the bud. I had no problem stopping games and addressing the problem (95% of the time it's parents/fans) face to face. Partly to show that I was not going to be walked all over and I was in no way intimidated by that person, but mostly to embarrass the hell out of them - which not only works great when it comes to shutting someone up, but is also deserved.

    I was a ref for a little under fifteen years and I can say without question it's definitely not a side job for those with thin skin or have any mild issues with confrontation.
     
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  13. cyhiphopp

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    If people want to keep from having to pay a ton more for their kids leagues, they need to realize that officials are humans and are doing their best. You'll maybe get 1 in 100 officials that are actually dicks and are doing a poor job on purpose.

    Keep hounding officials and they're going to have to pay them more to come back or deal with new guys who actually don't know what they're doing.

    I work at a handful of little leagues regularly and most of them are very appreciative. The ones that have coaches and fans who freak out over every call aren't worth it.
     
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  14. mb7299

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    Sportsmanship is going down the drain pretty quickly and it has most to do with parents/coaches. I've definitely learned Im to thin skinned to officiate anymore but at what point because you disagree with someone over anything would it be ok to scream at the top of your lungs to try to embarrass or intimidate someone else be ok, yet grown up after grown up thinks its ok at a sporting event where the game doesn't mean anything, heck the kids won't recall the game at all but they will remember the parent's acting like fools and embarrassing them.
     
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  15. CYphyllis

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    Pretty much, yeah. It's a general lack of knowledge when it comes to athletics as a whole. Having someone in the room bitching about officiating on a constant basis is the big red flag that said person is the one that has no idea what they are talking about.
     
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  16. jbindm

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    It's a thankless job, and I hope that once my kids are of age to participate in activities that require refs I'll have the restraint to keep my mouth shut when I happen to disagree with a call they make. Verbally abusing someone who's working a ****** job for not much or no pay sets a lousy example for kids.

    If a parent has a problem with an official, there has to be a better way to voice the complaint. Acting like a belligerent ******* rarely solves anything.
     
  17. cyhiphopp

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    There's a balance to it. If you're too nice, coaches think they can walk all over you. But you can't be a jerk either.

    I talk to the younger kids a lot. Let them know why a call was made. Let the catchers know where the pitch ended up. I will talk to coaches about the rule involved and why I made the call I did sometimes, but usually only if they ask. You have to gauge the attitude of the coach. Some guys will never understand why a call was made. They just want to argue.

    One thing I won't do is say, "I missed that one." Even if I know I missed a call, it's over. If you admit you missed a call you'll have some coaches complaining to the umpire in chief trying to get you off their games. Or the next time you have their team they will complain about every close call thinking I missed it too.

    Call em like you see em, and forget about it afterwards. That's all you can do.
     
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  18. FarminCy

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    It's amazing how many people these exact points are lost on.
     
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  19. CYphyllis

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    That kind of depends on where you are at in your life financially and where you are physically located. When I was twelve through about nineteen I'd work youth games usually on Saturdays and Sundays and get between $25 - $50 per game with 4 - 5 games per day, longest games would be 60 minutes but most were around 40. During the week (once I was high school aged) I'd pick up a couple adult games usually at between $60 - $80 per game. When you factor in all of my friends were getting $5.15 an hour in whatever **** after school job they were stuck in and I was getting paid in cash with no taxes, it wasn't so bad.

    Hell, it's why I kept doing it through college and even once I had my first professional job - I was doing a smaller amount at that time, but I definitely needed the extra cash.
     
  20. 1UNI2ISU

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    Totally agree with you there. It's just that when you get to that 3rd or 4th warning when you've got somebody right up against the backstop that you can't get out of there short of stopping a game and taking time away from the kids getting to play it makes it a problem. I'm not saying that I hear listen to everything, but as soon as you cross that line in to personal, its got to stop.

    Tell me I missed one. That's fine. Don't insult my appearance and intelligence while you're doing it.
     

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