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Discussion in 'Mens Basketball' started by LakeHavasu, Mar 11, 2010.
With Gilstrap done & Brackins probably going pro:
Who do we have & who are we going after?
Clyburn and Wilkins are guys we may be looking at. Other than that I don't know. I think Mac was likely waiting to make sure they were leaving.
Also, if your still recruiting at this time of year for the next season, your REACHING.
Really? We didn't even know how many scholarships to offer for the early signing period. Use your brain.
Or perhaps you weren't willing to shove two guys out the door when you were not positive they did not want to come back.
My point is most of the real good talents are gone at this point.
The staff has been actively recruiting for all possible scenarios. Its not like they will just be starting from scratch with some of these kids. They knew the chances of having one or both of CB and Quez back were slim and more likely none. They had an idea that someone else may leave as well. They have been recruiting for the worst possible scenario for several months.
Yes, very true, but if you don't know what you have to replace then you cannot just go out and grab guys.
The point is valid. While McDermott might be lucky enough to find a diamond in the rough like Mike Taylor or Wes Johnson, chances are most likely better he will stumble upon Marcus Brister or Clayton Vette. Spring signees are typically fall back guys, not guys you build a program around.
Circumstances with Gilstrap/Brackins certainly created the problem, but the point itself is still accurate.
Just don't expect a guy signed at this point to be a Gilstrap type of player. However, yes one of them could turn into a Mike Taylor.:yes:
That may be true... but I honestly can't remember an ISU team that didn't sign at least somebody in the spring signing period. Most teams who are in our position our recruiting hard in the spring. Usually it seems more Jucos are available than High schoolers at this point.
Being a spring signee has nothing to do with how good you are. There are high school recruits in the top 50 that still haven't signed with somebody.
Clyburn and Wilkins will likely be the staff's top targets from this point on.
That is also true. Problem is a lot of that is because of academic problems even at there Juco or character issues. Most of the JUCO's that play go on to D1 were good enough to do so out of HS as well. Remember there is a reason they are at JUCO's. There are risks when you sign these guys.
Agree. Difference is that McDermott desperately needs these guys, whoever they may be, to come in and immediately be impact players -- rather than just role players. Therein lies the problem -- finding guys in the spring that can do it. Odds are against it.
Again, no avoiding the circumstances. However, blame falls at McDermott's feet as it is a result of his recruiting failures during four year tenure. A program like Iowa State just can not afford the recruiting misses (Brister, Vette, Eikmeier, Mann, etc) and turnover (Johnson, Staiger) and still hope to be successful. Margin of error is much, much smaller.
Is there only one scholarship available?
Not true. Look at John Wall and Xavier Henry. They didn't fully commit to anyone until last minute.
But why would a recuit want to come here and play for a team with a bad four year record as us, and the coach may be get fired at the end of next season?
"Most" does not equal "all." Sure, there are great talents that are unsigned. But does Iowa State really have a shot at them? Problem is similar to the Tyrone Appleton saga...KU swoops in late and steals him away because they have a need for one season. Almost happened with JVB and UCONN as well. The big boys usually have a higher need to temporarily (year or two) fill some holes in the spring after their stars declare for the draft. That makes it even tougher for schools like ISU to find solid, contributing talent in the spring.