Rank our players

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  1. kucyclone

    kucyclone Well-Known Member

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    Assignment for the day - rank ISU's rotation players (Babb, Booker, Clyburn, Ejim, Gibson, Lucious, McGee, Niang) 1 through 8. Rank based on how good they are today all-around, and not on future potential. I'm just curious to see how good people think these guys are in relation to each other, because I could see a lot of opinions going so many different ways.

    Here's their minutes per game, points per game, and their PER score (higher is better; 15.0 is average), sorted by MPG:

    [TABLE="width: 500"]
    [TR]
    [TD]Name[/TD]
    [TD]Minutes per Game[/TD]
    [TD]Point per Game[/TD]
    [TD]ESPN PER[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Babb[/TD]
    [TD]31.5[/TD]
    [TD]9.2[/TD]
    [TD]13.06[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Lucious[/TD]
    [TD]30.0[/TD]
    [TD]9.7[/TD]
    [TD]10.48[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Clyburn[/TD]
    [TD]29.3[/TD]
    [TD]14.1[/TD]
    [TD]20.30[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]McGee[/TD]
    [TD]23.8[/TD]
    [TD]13.4[/TD]
    [TD]27.40[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Ejim[/TD]
    [TD]23.5[/TD]
    [TD]10.5[/TD]
    [TD]22.52[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Niang[/TD]
    [TD]21.8[/TD]
    [TD]10.8[/TD]
    [TD]24.84[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Gibson[/TD]
    [TD]16.8[/TD]
    [TD]7.6[/TD]
    [TD]21.39[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Booker[/TD]
    [TD]15.4[/TD]
    [TD]5.4[/TD]
    [TD]18.10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Interestingly, as you cans see above, PER sees our two players who get the most minutes as our worst two players, and only two below-average players.

    Anyway, here's how I'd rank them, with the full understanding that there will be plenty of disagreement here:

    1. Ejim
    2. McGee
    3. Niang
    4. Clyburn
    5. Babb
    6. Lucious
    7. Gibson
    8. Booker
     
  2. gocubs2118

    gocubs2118 Well-Known Member

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    McGee
    Niang
    Babb
    Ejim
    Clyburn
    Lucious
    Booker
    Gibson
     
  3. Rhoadhoused

    Rhoadhoused Well-Known Member

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    I rank them in order of the PER, with maybe Babb over Booker and maybe over Clyburn since defense isn't factored in as well.
     
  4. clonedude

    clonedude Well-Known Member

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    1. McGee
    2. Niang
    3. Clyburn
    4. Ejim
    5. Lucious
    6. Babb
    7. Gibson
    8. Booker
     
  5. cmjh10

    cmjh10 Well-Known Member

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    1. McGee
    2. Niang
    3. Ejim
    4. Clyburn
    5. Babb
    6. Lucious
    7. Gibson
    8. Booker
     
  6. enisthemenace

    enisthemenace Well-Known Member

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    McGee
    Babb
    Lucious
    Ejim
    Niang
    Clyburn



    Booker
    Gibson
     
  7. Thompsonclone

    Thompsonclone Well-Known Member

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    1. McGee (has lapses on defense)
    2. Clyburn (leading scorer, second in rebounds. Needs to limit turnovers)
    3. Niang (Brings the most energy along with McGee)
    4. Ejim (his rebounding is key)
    5. Babb (defense is why he's 5th)
    6. Lucious (Once he limits turnovers he will be fine. Capable scorer.)
    7. Gibson (needs to get back to playing with Niang. I don't know why that stopped)
    8. Booker (he should be so much better.)
     
  8. DurangoCy

    DurangoCy Well-Known Member

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    McGee, Niang, Ejim, Clyburn, Gibson
    Babb, Booker









    Lucious
     
  9. CychoCyclone

    CychoCyclone Member

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    McGee
    Ejim
    Clyburn
    Babb
    Niang
    Lucious
    Booker
    Gibson
     
  10. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    I would pretty much go with this and possibly switch Ejim and Niang.
     
  11. TurbulentEddie

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    This is a tough exercise because it seems like every player has his niche. So, I've tried to rank using three metrics: Offense, defense, and rebounding. Not a lot of Real Numbers behind the rankings, and you could argue that rebounding should not count as much or should be incorporated into O/D, but nonetheless:

    Offense:
    1. McGee
    2. Niang
    3. Babb
    4. Clyburn
    5. Gibson
    6. Ejim
    7. Lucious
    8. Booker

    Babb might be surprising at 3, but possession-based statistics show that he's been very efficient. The main reason I didn't put Clyburn above is because of TO issues. Ejim and Booker, and Gibson to a lesser extent, need a facilitator to get them the ball in the right place.


    Defense:
    1. Babb
    2. Lucious
    3. McGee
    4. Booker
    5. Clyburn
    6. Niang
    7. Gibson
    8. Ejim

    Lucious is adept at running the press, and I hope Hoiberg runs it more often. McGee is sometimes overaggressive, but he seems to get at least one surprising block and steal per game. I'm not sure Ejim deserves to be on the bottom, but he does seem overmatched at times. Only reason I put Gibson above him is because of block potential.


    Rebounding:
    1. Ejim
    2. Clyburn
    3. Booker
    4. McGee
    5. Niang
    6. Gibson
    7. Babb
    8. Lucious

    Again, another McGee surprise is his rebounding ability. For better or worse, I noticed him on the block for ISU FTs yesterday instead of Clyburn.


    Overall (Total):
    1. McGee (8)
    2. Babb (11)
    3. Clyburn (11)
    4. Niang (13)
    5. Ejim (15)
    6. Booker (15)
    7. Lucious (17)
    8. Gibson (18)

    This team is stacked 2-4, which is both a problem and a blessing, but we didn't need this rating thing to figure that out.
     
  12. bozclone

    bozclone Well-Known Member

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    McGee
    Niang
    Ejim

    Lucious
    Clyburn

    Babb
    Gibson
    Booker
     
  13. CyCrazy

    CyCrazy Well-Known Member

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    Asst. Super.
    Roland
    Niang
    Mcgee
    Babb
    Ejim
    Clyburn
    Booker
     
  14. Cy$

    Cy$ Well-Known Member

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    Clyburn (leads in all stats)
    Ejim (best post player)
    McGee (best shooter)
    Babb (best Defender)
    Niang
    Lucious
    Gibson
    Booker
     
  15. enisthemenace

    enisthemenace Well-Known Member

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    Lucious is far and away ahead of everyone in assists. He has a third of all team assists.
     
  16. pulse

    pulse Well-Known Member

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    1. McGhee. For scoring ability and effort.
    2. Ejim. Double-doubles aren't a problem. Listens to coaches.
    3. Niang. Going to only get better. Needs to get in better shape, but only a freshman.
    4. Lucious. Can play pretty well when he's focused.
    5. Babb. Hope he can continue to improve. Being able to take it to the basket instead of launching would help, like we did with Scotty.
    6. Clyborn, I mean burn (come on Doerrfeld). Never know what's going to happen, so I have him this low. I can't stand the inconsistency.
    7. Gibson. Love his ability to score, but I just yell and laugh at the same time at the matador defense.
    8. Booker. If everyone could hit the gym like him, that would be great.

    All subject to change, just how I feel at this exact minute.
     
  17. nate42smith

    nate42smith New Member

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    Two people have Mcgee ranked second, one person ranked him third, and every other poster ranked him first. I agree with the general consensus and I think Mcgee should start and see 10 more mins per game. I know its not an easy answer...who do u sit, but I think he's too valuable to not have on the floor more. He did nothing but confirm this opinion for me in the few games he did start this year. Also, I think that Tyrus has earned the title and respect that comes with being called a starter.
     
  18. cmjh10

    cmjh10 Well-Known Member

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    I was looking at these rankings and caught myself thinking that Lucious, Babb, McGee, Ejim, and Niang should start. Those are roughly the top 5 everybody is putting. (Some difference, but not much)
     
  19. CY88CE11

    CY88CE11 Active Member

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    Problem with that is our tallest player would be 6'7". Tough to win a tip or play D against any center in the Big 12 with that lineup.
     
  20. cmjh10

    cmjh10 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, after I realized that, I scraped the idea.
     

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