Offensive problems

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  1. AMarner32

    AMarner32 Well-Known Member

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    I understand it's hard to divvy out carries to 4 RB's + Richardson, but at some point you'd hope Messingham or whoever is in charge of this stuff would say "Hm, Shontrelle is only gaining about a yard per carry. We're running up the middle a lot. Maybe we should utilize our 240 pound RB?" And they would stick Jeff Woody in the game. I've never understood the lack of carries for Woody. He's not fumble-prone and he makes the LB's think twice about trying to stop the run.

    In the passing game, it's time to throw the ball downfield. Obviously Iowa was essentially playing prevent defense but Bundrage shredded their safeties and corners for 3 TD's. It's not like anything else is working either, so why not spread it out more? Right now we're basically trying to get 4-5 yards per play whether it's a run or a pass. That slow, methodical style works if you're willing to use play action, WR reverses, and other "gadgets" to exploit the D when they begin to play too tight. If Messingham would have waited any longer to throw downfield, he probably would've been murdered by Rhoads. With Tom Herman, our offense was willing to take shots to the endzone and throw in the middle of the field, not just to the sideline every time. Time to get rid of the 5-yard out route on 3rd and 10.
     
  2. Wesley

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    Tom Mensa Herman put up 52 points against Cal. Looks like he has a game plan and adjusts.
     
  3. digZ

    digZ Well-Known Member

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    Urban Meyer is an offensive guru. I highly doubt Herman calls a lot of plays on his own.
     
  4. Daserop

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    this is Iowa state. offensive problems are the norm
     
  5. Luth4Cy

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    It's not like Urban just hired whoever though. It's obvious things Herman is a solid coordinator and position coach, otherwise he wouldn't have hired him.
     
  6. xboxfever

    xboxfever Well-Known Member

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    Urban Meyer calls the plays for OSU.
     
  7. CycloneErik

    CycloneErik Well-Known Member

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    At least give a guy some sustained opportunity to show if he's got anything to offer. I'm not convinced by anyone on the offensive side until they prove themselves, but he has to give someone a real shot.
     
  8. Wesley

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    We should get Urban on the phone during our Thursday Tulsa game and let him call the plays from his living room if he is available. It would be better.
     
  9. khardbored

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    Agreed. I feel bad for Shontrelle in a sense, he seems like a great guy, but he never really panned out. And, especially when your O-line is weak, it doesn't make a lot of sense to dance around in the backfield for 2 or 3 seconds before you pick a hole. Usually that leads to either (a) getting tackled for a loss, or (b) plowing into the back of your own lineman and hopefully falling forward for a yard. I don't think we should even be lining up with a finesse back since their is very little blocking for him to do his thing. We need someone more north-south.
     
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    ThatllDoCy Well-Known Member

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    Are you for real? You think Herman is game planning for OSU without Meyer calling all the shots? He was brought in to be someone that Urban could control, and who didn't have the resume or stomach to argue.
     
  13. dualthreat

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    We must really be on hard times when you hear people talking up tom herman
     
  14. hoopitup

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    It's obvious we can't run between the tackles. We just can't move anybody. Last night, in the first half, following a punt by ISU, Fox cut to a commercial. As they did, they showed our center getting blown off the line. He snapped it and was hit by Iowa's NG. He got knocked back 1-2 steps on the snap of the ball.

    When you can't run up the middle, you have to mix in sweeps, counters, misdirections. I see very little of this. We cannot continue to try to run up the gut...it is not working.

    I thought the play calling alst night was better but there were some real boneheaded calls. I understand trying to make what you want to run work, but you just will not have a high powered offense without a strong line. Unfortuantley, we are too young and inexperienced on the line and I just don't know how talented this group is.

    I would be interested to know our stats from 1st half vs. 2nd half. SR sharpened up, time of poss. was more even.
     
  15. rjkbroker

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    we are on hard times.
     
  16. rjkbroker

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    we have a qb that when the primary option is not available...put's his head down and looks for running lanes....we have a high school offense...embarrassing.
     
  17. MeanDean

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    You mean, like throwing a 1 yard pass on 4th and 4?
     
  18. intrepid27

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    I don't have a number to back this up but our production on first down seemed terrible in both games. It's tough to be a good play caller or a successful offense when you are 2nd and 9 most of the time.
     
  19. Wesley

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  20. BigLame

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    This pistol we implemented was supposed to lead to all of this 'downhill running'. Where the hell is it then?

    Our plays need to be more of the quick-hitting variety. If we can't sustain blocks, then long-developing runs should not be what we try to establish as our forte. Whoever fits this method of running should then get the carries. Try it with White over at least 3-4 series before even thinking of subbing in. He's averaging 5 yards a carry, yet he's only carried it 12 times in 2 games.

    If we are having trouble with pressure on the QB, then why not move the pocket once in a while. Think we did 2 nights ago, but sparingly. Hard to do with a hobbled QB. Should have done that some in the 1st game & maybe he wouldn't be so hobbled.
     

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