Niang Technical/Flagrant Foul vs. OSU?

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  1. jtdoyle1

    jtdoyle1 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if this has been discussed before but I didn't see it in a quick search...

    First off I thought the technical/flagrant foul call on Niang versus OSU was a joke. A foul maybe but flagrant??? Clearly there was no intent (not to mention flopping) but maybe it is just how the rule is written and it is just a bad rule. Water under the bridge.

    My question is why did Forte come in to shoot the 2 free throws when he wasn't even in the game when it happened? In my opinion the person that was fouled should have to shoot those shots.

    Anybody out there with a decent explanation on this?
     
  2. BigBake

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    it was a foul during a dead ball. automatic T
     
  3. CYUL8R

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    Discussed already but here are the cliff's notes:

    1) Was a technical (not flagrant) foul, but it was dead ball situation (happened after the basket and during alternate possession) so the other team got two shots.

    2) Technical allows other team to choose who they want to shoot it (and why not pick Keiton F'ing Page, Jr...)
     
  4. jtdoyle1

    jtdoyle1 Well-Known Member

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    So the player that shoots the foul shots doesn't even have to be on the floor when the technical occurs?
     
  5. CysRage

    CysRage Well-Known Member

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    I believe OSU has a class called Flopping 101 and I can name several Okie Lite players who got A's in it
     
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  6. Cydwinder

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    The more I here about this the more confused I get. Wasn't half the reason ISU didn't shoot free throws down in Stillwater because the foul was considered to be not in play yet (ie a dead ball). The rule seems kinda vague.
     
  7. ty4cy90

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    I heard OSU's school of acting is one of the best in the country.
     
  8. IcSyU

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    We didn't shoot free throws because team possession wasn't established yet in Stillwater and it was just seen as a common foul. The referee deemed Niang's contact unnecessary and excessive and it can't be a flagrant because the ball is dead and is therefore a technical.
     
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  9. Cydwinder

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    Thanks for helping clear that up for me. I don't think Niang's contact was excessive at all, but I guess when Smart flops it looks worse than it was.
     
  10. IcSyU

    IcSyU Well-Known Member

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    Bingo. I'd dig up my posts about the actual rules applied to both cases but I'm too lazy.
     
  11. IcSyU

    IcSyU Well-Known Member

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    And in regards to the shooter, the rule book reads as though any player on the offended team can shoot them but ruxCYtable may correct me on this one. So far all the reference I see in the NCAA rulebook suggest any player on the offended team can shoot, not only players on the floor.
     
  12. casey1973

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    Funny how some ref's can call a foul that is rarely called but don't call a charging foul when it they call it all the time.
     
  13. klamath632

    klamath632 Well-Known Member

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    Paul Janssen is a terrible referee.
     
  14. JJ4ISU

    JJ4ISU Well-Known Member

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    For now on, after the other team makes a shot our entire 5 should stand together in the lane and try to draw technical fouls. JUST AN ABSURD CALL!
     
  15. Bigman38

    Bigman38 Well-Known Member

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    after that call we should have designated someone to run up behind the shooter every play so they can flop when he turns around to get on D.
     
  16. Bigman38

    Bigman38 Well-Known Member

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    great minds think alike
     
  17. theyork

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    to be fair, nash's first 3 fouls were charges. not like osu was the only team out there flopping. virtually any time a charge is called there is some acting going on and isu is just as guilty as the next team.
     
  18. theyork

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    i'm just glad the team didn't fold after that. that play resulted in a 4 point swing and got okie state right back into it. could have easily cost us the game and taken us out of the ncaa tourney.
     
  19. NATEizKING

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    Your profile pic fits you well. ;D
     
  20. carvers4math

    carvers4math Well-Known Member

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    I think Smart realized it was bs too, hence the grabby bottom exchange with Niang. With my old lady bifocals, if someone shorter than me cut right behind me when I was turning, I would bump into them, but if it was someone built like Smart I would probably be the one on the ground. Kind of reminds me of the flop that huge guy dropped on Scotty last year and Scotty was laughing at the ref about it.
     

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