National Duals in Ames

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  1. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    This Sunday starting at 11 AM

    The rankings of the teams most likely on our side of the bracket
    Wisconsin has Ben Jordan ranked #9 at 165 (He beat Sorenson at Midlands)

    That is most likely our 11 AM matchup and the only guy they have ranked.

    The semi final matchup will probably be Oregon State.
    They have
    Mangrum ranked #4 at 141 (Would wrestle Goettl)
    Sakaguchi is ranked #15 at 149 (Would wrestle Cozart)
    Pena is ranked #18 at 157 (Would wrestle Moreno)
    Meeks is ranked #17 at 197 (Would wrestle Voelker, Shafer, or Ward)
    Jack is ranked #5 at Hwt (Would wrestle Gibson)

    We have not wrestled any Oregon State guys this year, we did meet some Wisconsin guys at Midlands.
     
  2. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    Just listened to KJ on the weekly press conference and he stated that Ward will go at 197 on Sunday and that Beard did not do any live wrestling last week. Also KJ thought we would get 3rd seed behind Iowa and Oregon State. Official seeding comes out Wednesday.
     
  3. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    Posted by Tractorboy on Cyclone Report.com

    Per Andy Hamilton's chat today:

    Andy Hamilton: Good afternoon. I just got off the phone with Iowa State coach Kevin Jackson and the Cyclones have some good news. Chris Spangler has been cleared to get back on the mat today and Jackson is hopeful he'll be able to compete Sunday. Jerome Ward is expected to wrestle Sunday in the National Duals.

    Q. What Ward needs to do to qualify for Nationals?

    Andy Hamilton: He's going to have to earn his way in at the conference meet. This is purely a guess on my part, but I suspect the Big 12 will get three qualifying spots at 197 and I think I'm correct in saying Ward would have to beat Rosholt/Byers, Haynes or Hall.
     
  4. GoCubsGo

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    That will be huge to have Spangler back. Not only for the national duals, but also to have him healthy for Big 12's and NCAA's.

    Any idea on whether Ward has been conditioning? That's my biggest concern with him, given that even when he'd been conditioning for a full season, he'd gas out in the third period (or sometimes the second). It should help that he's back up at 197.
     
  5. Clone83

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    Woo hoo! Bring it, Jerome!!

    Best wishes, thanks, and I hope you are healthy and can finish out your career strong.
     
  6. Judoka

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    No comment of Finch at the press conference. Hopefully that means no concussion.
     
  7. buf87

    buf87 Well-Known Member

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    Same here Judoka. I heard Finch might of got racked. That tends to slow a person down for a little bit

    Judoka, Do you remember how long Jerome has been in the room working out? I think KJ addressed it in the press conference.
     
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    Whatever the reason for Finch faltering down the stretch, Sorenson was not happy. He spent pretty much the whole 3rd period in his ear matside, and escorted him out of the gym as soon as the match was over. That's what I call senior leadership! It was cool to see him take on the roll of the 2nd assistant with Paulson and Reader both competing elsewhere. I really hope we can find a role for him to keep him around the program after graduation.
     
  9. Scott34

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    Good news on Ward and Spangler Conditioning is my only big worry with Ward. He has the ability to hang with about anyone but if as he goes into the 2nd or 3rd with low gas, it wont be good. Wards conditioning has almost always been an issue and with him out the whole year, it becomes a real question.
     
  10. BCClone

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    Say we get the 3 seed. Do we hold spangler and ward out against wisky and keep them fresh for osu? Of course score will depend some with them being in the back half. What do you think?
     
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    That's unpossible. A Cyclone wrestler take a shot to the head and NOT get a concussion. Unheard of.
     
  12. GoCubsGo

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    Interesting thought. I doubt they hold them out because more importantly than the team score (lets face it, ISU isn't going to win the national duals this year) is that those guys get some matches under their belt.
     
  13. buf87

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    Not sure BCClone. Do you think Spangler and/or Ward are ready for 3 matches in 1 day. Ward can't earn a auto berth for Big 12's, so he is going to have to take somebody elses in order to get to Nationals. Spangler might be a different situation for 2 reasons, 1. We want to do everything possible to get England auto qualified, in case, and 2. Spangler needs to work on his seed for Nationals.
     
  14. Clone83

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    #14 Clone83, Feb 6, 2012
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    See this new blog post for more of KJ's comments on both Spangler and Ward (relates to Andy Hamilton chat), more than what I copied below:

    Ward set to return for ISU, Cyclones hopeful for Spangler | Des Moines Register Staff Blogs

     
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    That would be great if Shafer is back. We have no idea how Ward is going to perform and Shafer needs to be ready.
     
  16. BCClone

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    Yea, the reason I asked was that I don't see them able to last three matches and when we are tired the concussions seem to pop up. I'm more interested in ward at this point because Mikey is wrestling well right now. Spangler would be great if we get to Iowa.

    I would hold both against wisky if we are a 3. I think we can win it without them, unless Shafer is healthy and we use them for wisky for a lighter tuneup and let Shafer and England rest.

    If we don't advance we seem to have a large gap in our schedule, is there any plans for an extra dual if we don't.
     
  17. buf87

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    I don't think so, as far as an extra dual. I think it is a good time to get in better health. The only thing about letting Ward and Spangler getting multiple matches in; that is what they will need to be able to do at Big 12's and Nationals. Would be a gage to see where they are at.
     
  18. Clone83

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    Here are the seeds (and the new Top 25 national dual team rankings from NWCA):

    1. Iowa (5)
    2. Oregon State (16)
    3. Iowa State
    4. Virginia Tech (23)
    5. Northern Iowa
    6. Wisconsin

    More information is available here, including brackets and link to the national dual rankings:
    Mat Mayhem Regional Seeds Announced
    Here are the new national tournament rankings from InterMat for these teams, with individual rankings also available at link:

    1. Iowa (4)
    2. Oregon State (19)
    3. Iowa State (13)
    4. Virginia Tech (18)
    5. Northern Iowa (32)
    6. Wisconsin (46)

    InterMat Wrestling

    Much more information is available here, including times, with more presumably to be filled in by ISUChip as it becomes available:
    CycloneReport.com - Message Boards - *** National Duals Info Thread ***
     
  19. Clone83

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    #19 Clone83, Feb 7, 2012
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    For these six teams, below are the individual national rankings (top 20) from InterMat.

    Keep in mind that Iowa State's first opponent is Wisconsin, then Oregon State if the Cyclones win, and probably Iowa in the finals if we get past the Beavers.

    See link above to CR and ISUChip's post for match schedule and times.

    125

    Iowa, Matt McDonough, junior (1)
    Iowa State, Ryak Finch, freshman (12)

    133

    Virginia Tech, Devin Carter, sophomore (1)
    Iowa, Tony Ramos, sophomore (4)
    Northern Iowa, Joe Colon, junior (11)

    141

    Oregon State, Mike Mangrum, junior (4)
    Iowa, Montell Marion, senior (6)
    Iowa State, Luke Goettl, freshman (17)
    Virginia Tech, Zach Neibert, sophomore (19)

    149

    Oregon State, Scott Sakaguchi, sophomore (16)

    157

    Iowa, Derek St. John, sophomore (5)
    Oregon State, R.J. Pena, sophomore (18)

    165

    Iowa State, Andrew Sorenson, senior (4) *
    Virginia Tech, Peter Yates, junior (7)
    Iowa, Mike Evans, freshman (8)
    Wisconsin, Ben Jordan, senior (11) *

    * Andrew's only loss so far was to Jordan at Midlands, 8-4. They will meet again in the first round here.

    174

    Iowa State, Chris Spangler, junior (5) *
    Iowa, Ethen Lofthouse, sophomore (9)

    * Not certain yet that Chris will be back from injury.

    184

    Northern Iowa, Ryan Loder, sophomore (6)
    Iowa State, Boaz Beard, sophomore (15)

    197

    Oregon State, Taylor Meeks, freshman (17)

    Hwt

    Oregon State, Clayton Jack, senior (5)
    Iowa State, Matt Gibson, junior (12)
    Iowa, Bobby Telford, freshman (14)

    ===

    I hope I didn't miss anyone.
     
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    Voelker could give Ward or Shafer a rest also. Good mat time for him against some unranked wrestlers. May be Voelker anyway as I haven't heard if Shafer has been released to wrestle and am sure Ward is not 100%.

    Still wish they were wrestling 10 teams like last year....any chance of that format coming back?
     

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