Lard looks good

Discussion in 'Mens Basketball' started by FinalFourCy, Mar 15, 2017.

  1. FinalFourCy

    FinalFourCy Active Member

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    Sorry, but that's just not true. Look at Babb. I love his potential but he wasn't always ready and he got a lot of minutes despite clearly being behind the other 5. Long got essentially nothing. Hell, Naz played 34 minutes in a blowout of TCU. It may be more incriminating of the staff, but there were more than walkon minutes for Long if he was near being ready.

    No one is saying cut him or that in a few years he can't develop into a major contributor. But only one recent player has made a similar 7 month jump. The great Naz.
     
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  2. Cyclonepride

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    Babb also had a full freshman year at Arkansas (saw minutes anyway) plus a full sit out year under this staff. Hardly comparable, but if you insist on critiquing Long's status based on that, have at it I suppose.

    Naz stayed on the court as a stabilizing presence against TCU late, as you don't want to pull every starter out, even with a big lead.
     
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  3. Gunnerclone

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    I think Solo is having some growing pains since his HS days, literally. And that's not a bad thing he's getting huge.
     
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  4. FinalFourCy

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    Excuse me, but you missed the point on Babb. Of course he's ahead of a freshman. But he still wasn't ready and he got more than walkon minutes.
     
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    Carter makes a better cheerleader. He should be awarded an official set of Cyclone pom poms.
     
  6. SolarGarlic

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    There were? Babb's minutes weren't up for grabs. He was an established part of the rotation. Babb was ready to play. He wasn't a star, but he had a role.
     
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  7. FinalFourCy

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    I'm not saying he'd take Bab's minutes. I'm saying there were a lot of Babb-type minutes available to play Long. Over the course the season there were absolutely situations for Long to get more than walkon minutes. At the end of the year the staff didn't even trust him enough to rest Naz in a blowout against TCU.

    I'm not saying he can't or won't ever be a good player, but he wasn't ready this year. The odds are against him being a major contributor to a good ISU team next year imo. How much shall we wager?
     
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  8. IAStubborn

    IAStubborn Well-Known Member

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    He was our 8th best player. Long may be our 9th. What are you missing here. Minutes are finite. Nobody is arguing Babb isn't more ready it just doesn't mean long is that far off but it also doesnt mean he isnt. The point everyone else gets is we really don't know.
     
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  9. carvers4math

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    Was wondering who had seen enough of Lard for 8 pages. Discover debate on playing time for guards, carry on.
     
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  10. SpokaneCY

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    Young was injured in the early season as well...
     
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  11. SpokaneCY

    SpokaneCY Well-Known Member

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    Let a kid work on his game in practice and with the coaching staff. Game day is not the day to develop a kid until he's needed or proved he's ready!
     
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  12. FinalFourCy

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    Right and I'm sure some here are optimistic Greder could play too. He's a good athlete.

    I'd guess the staff knows and they made no effort to play him. Maybe despite there being more than 40 inconsequential minutes on the year, he really was near a Big 12 level.

    We don't know, but many assume he's ready and only played walkon minutes because of who was in front of him. I think that's less probable than it being a case in which he wasn't ready. That's overly negative only to those that are overly sensitive. No one is saying cut him or that as an upperclassman he will still be riding the pine. He's an interesting prospect. If he's quick enough to defend and get past guards he could be eventually develop into a nice mismatch.
     
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  13. CycloneBBFan

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    Cameron Lard is going to get significant minutes at post/wing IMO. He's the most underrated on our roster. Yes it's true we are losing four of our all-star cast but we have 3 incoming freshmen that are studs. We still have the unknowns for remaining scholarships or transfers. Unless Long and Babb make exponential improvements they may be seeing more bench time than fans want to admit.
     
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  14. IAStubborn

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    Prohm isn't one to throw a kid in until they are ready to succeed. He clearly wasnt yet, but that doesn't mean his leap has to be monumental. There are a lot of different arcs. People have good reason to be optimistic, he was a good recruit that was well thought of, coaches son that works hard. He has been touted as an elite defender out of HS. He may or not play next year but I really think it is more of a coin flip than a 10:1 type of scenario you are painting
     
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    We've been really spoiled by Monte, Matt, and Niang where we expect true freshman to contribute right away or they are garbage.
     
  16. FinalFourCy

    FinalFourCy Active Member

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    I haven't noticed anyone thinking that.
     
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    Define monumental. I never said he wouldn't play.

    I think it would take an uncommon jump for him to be a major factor. My expectation for the most probable outcome is that he improves and plays a 9th man type role on a young team. If we add a grad transfer guard, he may be like Holden in that it's game-to-game. Of course, many things are possible, he could be a starter next year if he improves his shot and quickness, or not play at all.
     
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  18. IAStubborn

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    I think you said monumental leap referring to Naz and how uncommon it is. I think him starting would be a stretch too. I think he could be part of 8 man rotation though probably a coinflip. If that's indeed what you feel we don't disagree. You made it sound like he isn't near ready wouldn'tcontribute and would transfer. I think if he is part of rotation he stays.
     
  19. FinalFourCy

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    I don't recall ever saying that. Link?

    Naz's year-over-year improvement is uncommon. You're being ridiculously sensitive if you equate thinking he played only 40 minutes all year because he wasn't ready as thinking he would transfer. In fact I've mentioned several times now that I'm not talking about him transferring and that although I don't expect a significant yearly jump, I could see him developing into a contributor as an upperclassman.
     
  20. IAStubborn

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    Sorry forget about the transfer part. I just think people are saying they think he has a shot at getting meaningful rotation minutes (but we really have no idea or can't possibly know exactly how close he is) next year and you seem to be agreeing with that so not sure why you are arguing with folks.
     

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