MLB: King Felix wins Controversial AL CYYoung

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  1. Mr Janny

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    Damn right, they got it right. It's not Felix's fault he was pitching on a crappy team.
     
  3. Steve

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    The only controversial part of the vote was the writer who tried to sabotage his chances by voting him in 5th place. That guy should be stripped of his voting privileges.
     
  4. Tre4ISU

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    No run support. If he had that, it wouldn't have been close.
     
  5. dtclones

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    Anyone who knows anything about baseball knows wins is the most overrated, non-telling stat in the game followed by RBIs.
     
  6. pyrocyz

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    is it really a controversy when the past 2 AL Cy Young winners were amazing pitchers on Crappy teams?
     
  7. gocubs2118

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    I'm glad that the old time writers are finally starting to realize this.
     
  8. IcSyU

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    They got it right.
     
  9. shagcarpetjesus

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    Nothing controversial at all as far as I'm concerned. He was clearly the best pitcher in the AL this year. I'm just glad that baseball media members are finally starting to realize that pitcher wins have more to do with how good of an offense a team has rather than the inherent talents of a particular starting pitcher. The Mariners were historically bad at the plate this year. They scored the fewest runs of any AL team in history since the DH was implemented. It's hard to win games as a pitcher when your team can't score any runs. That doesn't mean that you are a bad pitcher though. It's amazing that it's taken this long for voting media members to finally get that through their thick skulls.
     
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    Ok, maybe it's not as controversial as I thought. Maybe I talk to too many Yankee fans.
     
  12. CYdTracked

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    Wins yes, then followed by saves. Why are RBI's over-rated? I think hitting with men on base is more pressure than hitting without anyone on so I think it's a legit stat that matters.
     
  13. CyJack13

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    Because it depends on the guys ahead of you to get on base, not your production. 50 solo home runs is more impressive than 20 three run home runs.
     
  14. gocubs2118

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    It's all dependent on the hitters in your lineup. You could hit .330 and have 40 RBI's because when you hit there is no one on base. Or you could hit .240 and have 100 RBI's because there is 2 runners on base everytime you come to bat.
     
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    RBIs are not nearly as overrated as wins but say you play for a team that can't hit worth a **** and there's never anyone on base ahead of you. Not your fault the rest of the team can't get on base. Look at A-Rod. He had a ton of RBI's but his batting average wasn't great. His RBIs came from his teammates getting on ahead of him.
     
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    I can see your points about RBI's but I's still put it maybe 3rd behind wins and saves. I don't think getting the finally 3 outs of a game with a 3 run lead for a save is anything special which is why I think the save stat is possibly even more over-rated than wins
     
  17. shagcarpetjesus

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    It's a flawed counting stat that says more about the on base skills of the hitters who come before a particular player in the lineup than about said player's "clutchiness". Two seasons ago Jose Guillen drove in 97 runs for the Royals. It's not because he was a great player, it's simply because he batted 4th almost the entire season and batted with guys on base fairly frequently. Even with his atrocious .264/.300/.438 (AVG/OBP/SLG) line he still drove in nearly 100 runs because of the sheer quantity of his ABs in a prime spot in the lineup.
     
  18. dtclones

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    I can agree that saves is overrated too. Some teams don't allow their closers many opportunities because they're either always losing or ahead by too many runs.
     
  19. CyJack13

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    And on the flip side of that look at Barry Bonds' '03 numbers.

    .341/.529/.749 (AVG/OBP/SGL) 45HRs and only 90 RBI's.
     
  20. shagcarpetjesus

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    I'm with you on saves. The save stat drives me freakin' crazy. Nothing makes my blood boil more than watching a manager bring in a middle reliever in the 6th inning with runners on base to protect a one run lead. Instead of going to your best bullpen arm to get your team out of what is clearly a critical situation in the game, most managers will throw out maybe their 3rd or 4th best relief pitcher simply because it's the 6th inning. That's just flat out stupid. I'd love to see a manager for a crappy team with a fantastic closer go back to using bullpen aces as firemen instead of 9th inning only specialists.
     

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