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Discussion in 'Pro Sports' started by Together2813, Apr 14, 2009.
Who was/is Marmol battling for the closer role?
From the way Gregg and Marmol have started the season it looks as if Marmol will be the closer sooner rather than later.
I don't want to talk about it. I am missing Woody already
I miss Lee Smith!!!
I miss Borowski!!!
Oh, wait. No I don't.
I'm just mad that I can't take all of my agression out on Dempster and call him dumpster. He kind of proved last year that he can be a quality pitcher and I think it will stay that way this year.
...not as much as I miss LaTroy Hawkins!
I miss Shooter...RIP
I couldn't agree more. Why would you let him slip away? I think his injury troubles are over if you keep him in the close role as well.
Way to many close calls with him for me. He saved a lot of games, but it always seemed like he let 2 men on before closing the game out.
I'm fine with Gregg. People need to give him more than 3 outings before they jump down his throat. Give him time, he looked good yesterday.
Marmol is way more important as the 6th/7th/8th inning guy to come in and clean up. Guzman for closer...
Marmol will have this job soon... he has looked good early this season.
I'll do you one better than that: Mel Rojas!
marmol should have had the job at the beginning of the season, and he'll have it soon.
For all of you who are calling for Marmol to be closer, he's actually way more valuable for us in the situations he's pitching now. Think about it... anytime the cubs are up 0-3 runs in the middle of a later inning with men on in scoring position, who would you rather want coming in to fix the situation... Marmol or Gregg? Marmol. This way you get it to the 9th inning where the closer comes in with nobody on base and a fresh slate where there's less pressure right off the bat and he can make a mistake or two and get away with it with the save. The closer position is the most overrated position in baseball because these guys are getting credit for a low-stress job compared the the setup role where the pitcher doesnt get any statline credit for getting out of a 1 out jam with men in scoring position. If you're not happy with Gregg in the closer role, you put someone besides Marmol in. You just make sure you pay Marmol like he's the best pitcher on the cubs staff so he doesn't get discouraged that he's not getting that statline.
A Hold is a stat, but not valued as much as a Save.
Couldn't have said it better.
There was a very well-written article on "closers" and the "save" shortly after Jerome Holtzman passed away, basically making the case for your above-noted quote. I couldn't agree with you more but it hasn't always been this way. Bruce Sutter regularly pitched two or three innings for his "save"...
Note: Jerome Holtzman was a Chicago Sun-Times sportswriter generally credited with bringing the "save" into being as a regular statistic...