Don't people get it?

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  1. BCforISU

    BCforISU Well-Known Member

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    #1 BCforISU, Feb 7, 2009
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    Johnny Orr's record:
    YearRecord1980-1981 9-18, 1981-1982 10-17, 1982-1983 13-15, 1983-1984 16-13, 1984-1985 21-13, 1985-1986 22-11, 1986-1987 13-15, 1987-1988 20-12, 1988-1989 17-12, 1989-1990 10-18, 1990-1991 12-19, 1991-1992 21-13, 1992-1993 20-11, 1993-1994 14-13

    It takes time, people need to cool it! Judge when our leaders are at least Juniors and Seniors.....

    Eustachy's
    1998-1999 15-15, 1999-2000 32-5, 2000-2001 25-6, 2001-2002 12-19, 2002-2003 17-14

    Best seasons where with his player's being Juniors and Seniors, Same with Floyd's:

    1994-1995 23-11, 1995-1996 24-9, 1996-1997 22-9, 1997-1998 12-18

    Can you see the theme of having a very young team? Don't give me the Petey, Haluska, Thompson stuff either.

    All these coaches had trouble when their teams were young, we have a very young team. The people with experience are only in their second year on a Big 12 court. Be patient, coach McD will win.
     
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  2. Erik4Cy

    Erik4Cy Well-Known Member

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    I cannot compute.
     
  3. SgtPepper

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    So you are telling me a team filled with JRs and SRs is better than one filled with SOs? Thanks.
     
  4. BCforISU

    BCforISU Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, fixed it.
     
  5. URBCLONE

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    As I said in another thread a couple of weeks back, there is no comparison between JO and GM. JO took over a moribund program that had not seen postseason play in 40 years. His name brought instant credibility to the program and his style of play enthused the home crowds and players loved it.

    GM had the backing of 20-25 years of pretty solid BB tradition coming in. The fan base has held up remarkably well despite the lack of anything positive in the program for the last 3-4 years. His style of play is an acquired taste at best and mind-numbingly boring at worst. His recruiting outside of a few major contributors has been lackluster at best.

    As for TF and LE. In his FIRST year on the job TF took a team from 14-13 to 23 wins and the second round of the NCAA tournament. He followed that up by losing 95% of his scoring and going on to win the final Big 8 tournament title and advancing again to the second round of the NCAA tournament. LE's second and third seasons resulted in Conference championships.

    There is no comparison.
     
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  6. kingcy

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    There were rocky time before McD took over.
     
  7. Wesley

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    Really, do we have to wait till 2012 when Big 12 will be better?
     
  8. BCforISU

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    Name one player on GM's first team that could have been on the court with Floyd's first team? That team was a gift.. GM still took over a team with no one....Great, we have good fans, but they don't make you win. Still need the talent, ang GM is getting the talent, it is just taking time, It wasn't like Morgan helped out by recruiting the East coast only and forgetting about everyone else. One thing that is really different for GM is TF and Larry took over for good coaches, GM took over with nothing except Rashan to bank on.
     
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  9. URBCLONE

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    True, but the good years were fresh in people's memory. I know that many will disagree with this, but had he held WM's team together he would have been set up nicely with talent. I do believe that GM has a lot of responsibility for the extreme player attrition that occurred in the change from WM to him.

    All I was trying to say in the previous post was that the program had been 'built' when GM took over as opposed to when JO took over.
     
  10. Wesley

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    Mike Taylor. Wesley. Taggart if he stayed.
     
  11. kingcy

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    The problem is a lot of the talent on that last Morgan team was half way out of town when he was fired.
     
  12. URBCLONE

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    Tasheed Carr, Lawrence Westbrook, Farnold Degand, Will Blaylock. ISU lost them ALL. Surely, if GM is as good a recruiter as some claim, he could have held one to a few of these players?
     
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  14. cyclonepower02

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    Coach K didn't have much success until his 4th year. In fact, he didn't go over .500 in the ACC until his 5th year.

    Not saying McD is the next Hall of Fame coach, but still, you've gotta be patient.
     
  15. BCforISU

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    I was referring to who was there from Morgan, Wesley and Taylor were GM's, sorry if I didn't clarify, and Taggart was gone. Point being, GM had Clark coming back.
     
  16. BCforISU

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    They were all gone with Morgan, they wouldn't have played for a coach with rules.
     
  17. URBCLONE

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    I think the fanbase has been very patient. Good crowd again today. This is year 3 and we are looking at another sub-500 overall finish.

    I love JP, but I despise the slicing and dicing of history. Comments like 'it is really year one' do nothing for me. Patience has its limits. Next year is my line in the sand. No NCAA tournament next year = time for a change. Somehow the Pres of the US can be held accountable at election time every 4 years, but ISU BB isn't?
     
  18. cyclonepower02

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    I don't know if we will be a tourney team next year, but the NIT would be nice.
     
  19. URBCLONE

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    IDK. I wasn't privy to those discussions. I can't help but believe that this style of play had a lot to do with those players leaving.

    I supported JP's decision on Morgan. I thought that Morgan lost the fan base in his third season. That said, on a stictly numbers to numbers comparison of three year careers, Morgan has it all over GM.

    Another poster says ISU has no shot at HB unless it retains GM. Funny, player retention was not a good enough reason to retain WM with respect to the aforementioned players, but it is enough to keep GM for a player that has not even committed to ISU yet.
     
  20. Skyh13

    Skyh13 Well-Known Member

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    NIT has gotta be the bare minimum, although at this rate, a FEW conference wins would be a big improvement... :no:
     

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