Curious who ISU fans think got the better coach ...

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  1. surly

    surly Well-Known Member

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    #21 surly, Mar 20, 2017
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    Clear consensus here for Underwood. He's really getting shelled in the Oklahoma radio market today as a complete fraud. I don't know the guy. Don't blame him for leaving oSu. Although I thought he could have done so in a much cleaner way.

    I'm sticking with Martin as the better hire. I believe he's the better recruiter. It won't take long to know.

    http://tunein.com/radio/TriplePlay-Sports-1020-s34486/
     
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  2. mdk2isu

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    Being a good recruiter doesn't make a good hire/coach. Ask Washington and Romar's time there. Lots of good recruiting, not good results.
     
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  3. bawbie

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    Martin will have better rated recruiting classes, Underwood will win more games, neither will be successful at those schools in the long run - neither will still be there in 5 years.
     
  4. surly

    surly Well-Known Member

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    Martin has won 61% of his games.
     
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    Underwood has won 81%. What's your point?
     
  6. surly

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    #26 surly, Mar 20, 2017
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    Underwood and Martin have won at the same rate at P5 schools. Martin's been doing so a lot longer though - at P5 level schools.
     
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  7. ImJustKCClone

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    I think that line of reasoning may backfire. Martin has faced primarily equal or lesser talent. Underwood (at non-P5 SFA) faced mostly equal conference or better non-con talent.
     
  8. brianhos

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    No way Evans comes back now, he will be a pretty high draft choice.
     
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  9. surly

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    Underwood took over a championship program at SFA.
     
  10. cygrads

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    61% of a normal 30 game season is 18 wins - no wonder he doesn't sniff the tourney very often.
     
  11. Cyclonepride

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    Sour grapes. I don't blame them for being angry, but I bet there wasn't criticism flying around until he suddenly bolted.
     
  12. Cyclonepride

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    Agree. He could come back and average 25 ppg and NBA scouts would be less impressed because he's a year older.
     
  13. rholtgraves

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    Surly's just mad because KSU is stuck with Weber.
     
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  14. DSM4Cy

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    Whoa whoa whoa. Underwood coached 1 year at Oklahoma State, and they showed significant improvement from where they were. You can't compare 1 season to 6 seasons between Tennessee and Cal. I don't think you can judge Underwood's ability to be a great P5 coach yet, but I'd say the ceiling is higher than Martin. Cuonzo has only made the tournament 2 of 6 years, double-digit losses every season at a P5 school (and 9 losses in his best year at Missouri State). NBA talent that didn't produce.

    If I'm a Mizzou fan I'm not very happy with this hire. Feels a bit like McDermott and us - someone local, although not connected to the university. A big name who really hasn't done a lot when you look deep at the resume. Whoever Cuonzo's agent is should get PAID. Great work.
     
  15. carvers4math

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    I feel like Underwood is the better coach, but maybe not the better hire. Never liked him, maybe because of the resemblance to Greg McDermott lol. Also three teams in three years is not a good look, and since he seems to treat places as pit stops, not sure if that will affect his recruiting. While Martin has also moved around, at least he stays more than one year.
     
  16. CyCrazy

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    This the butthurt is flowing. Underwood is better.
     
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  17. surly

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    No. I'm not mad at all, actually. I think this coach swapping is rather humorous in many ways, particularly Illinois.
     
  18. FinalFourCy

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    Martin is not like the McDermott hire.
     
  19. runbikeswim

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    Mizzou is a dumpster fire. Think Underwood is a punk for leaving after one season. Was impressed with how hard OSU played, Maritn has under delivered given that talent he had.
     
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