Big 12 Recruiting Rankings

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  1. cytheguy

    cytheguy Well-Known Member

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    According to Rivals, our current recruiting class is ranked 9th out of 10 in the Big 12. Ahead of KSU. I thought for sure we'd also be ahead of Kansas. Oh well, baby steps!
     
  2. sogocat

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    reason why not higher, no DL
     
  3. ISUAgronomist

    ISUAgronomist Well-Known Member

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    FIFY :rolleyes:
     
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  4. StLouisClone

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    #4 StLouisClone, Jan 16, 2011
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    Our best DL recruits in the last 6 classes were Ahtyba Rubin (high 3-star Juco) back in 2006 and Chris Lyle (high 3-star Juco) back in 2007. Since then:

    2008: Cleyon Laing (2-star), Roosevelt Maggitt (2-star), Jake McDonough (3-star) and S. Ruempolhamer (2-star).

    2009: Walter Woods (2-star), Aaron Moore (3-star), Jacob Lattimer (3-star)

    2010: Brandon Jensen (2-star), Nick Kron (2-star), Rony Nelson (3-star)

    2011: David Irving (2-star), Devin Lemke (3-star)

    The coaches have done an amazing job working with the talent they have. But at some point our lack of defensive tackles is going to catch up with us. Or am I just being a negative nelly?

    Take a look at Oklahoma's roster. They go 5-deep at the DE position and 4-deep at the DT position. Why not come to ISU and play right away? Become the next Tuba Rubin!!
     
  5. dualthreat

    dualthreat Well-Known Member

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    some guys like winning national championships. plus, their told they will come in and start or at least play.... for sure by the time they're a jr or sr
     
  6. cytheguy

    cytheguy Well-Known Member

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    Count me as someone who would like to see more commitments from defensive linemen. It all starts up front on both sides of the ball, and our lack of depth at DL is a legit concern.
     
  7. cyfan15

    cyfan15 Active Member

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    I understand why people are worried about defensive line, but we finished 7th in the Big 12 in total defense this year (middle of the pack) and 11th in total offense. Based on actual results, it seems like we have more work to do on offense.
     
  8. Rogue52

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    Didn't someone in the recruiting business say that there really wasn't going to be many DL recruits available for anyone but the top schools, so coaches were going to HAVE to develop talent?

    Nothing really new here at ISU. Major reason we are better off with Rhoads than Chizik: talent development.
     
  9. cyfan15

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    Getting Green and Filimoeatu would be big for DL depth. At DE we would have Lattimer, Maggitt, Neal, Nelson, and Filimoeatu. At DT we would have Ruemp, McDonough, Laing, and Green. That's nine guys, which isn't even counting guys like Woods, Moore, Scott, Jensen, and Krick, all of whom are underclassmen who could earn some playing time.
     
  10. pyrocyz

    pyrocyz Well-Known Member

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    Hand it to people to take any recruiting thread and turning it a thread about the lack of defensive linemen. There is concern about this but does it really have to take over every discussion.
     
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  11. tazclone

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    Defense wins championships and I have more faith that Wally can get more out of guys than I do Herman. Look what Wally has done with a lack of resources.
     
  12. jburke

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    #12 jburke, Jan 16, 2011
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    I don't get how Rival does these National ranking, for one, Boise St. is rated 50th with a 2.48 average, we are not in the top 50 but have a 2.69 rating and more 3 star recruits, makes no sense. Than if you look at the per position break down, in almost every category we are in the top 30 and yet we are not even in the top 50. I think if we land one of our DT blue chippers we will improve vastly.
     
  13. SCNCY

    SCNCY Well-Known Member

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    I do not know my self, but some 3 star recruits are worth more points than others. For example, when Nealy committed to ISU, the team points i think almost doubled. That happened because he was a highly rated 3 star recruit (5.7 Rivals Rating). We have a lot of Recruits who are rated at 5.5, which is a 3 star, but a 5.4 or lower is a 2 star. A 5.8 rating is a four star. Even though we have a higher average, Boise State probably has more talented 3 star recruits than us in the eyes of Rivals.
     
  14. Tre4ISU

    Tre4ISU Well-Known Member

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    This is likely right. I believe they rank by total points but I'm not sure. We have quite a few 5.5 guys.
     
  15. Yes13

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    We are ranked at 54th in the country right now.

    I don't really understand how they get the points. When Jantz got upgraded to a 5.6 3 star we scored like 115 points. When Nealy, a 5.7 3 star, committed we got around 100. But with Bundrage who is also a 5.6 3 star, we only got 17 points.

    I've also heard that rivals is gonna update some 5/4 star recruits this week. Any chance Nealy gets a lil bump?
     
  16. Cyclonepride

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    Team recruiting rankings are even less reliable than player rankings.
     
  17. cyfan15

    cyfan15 Active Member

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    You get bonus points for players being ranked above a certain level at their position, even more if they're in the top five at their position, plus extra points for being ranked nationally in the high school or JUCO rankings. Here's what I found about the formula:

    Here is the team ranking formula for those interested... (please keep in mind a statistician from UC-Berkeley developed this for us).

    Please note you only take the top 20 prospects in this formula, ordered by # Stars descending.

    POINTS = ((N / (N + 50)) * H) + ((50 / (N + 50)) * L)

    where...

    H = 250 for each 5-star commit + 140 for each 4-star + 75 for each 3-star + 20 for each 2-star + 10 for each 1-star

    L = 18 for each 5-star + 12 for each 4-star + 8 for each 3-star + 3 for each 2-star + 1 for each 1-star

    N = a big honkin' calculation, described below

    CALCULATION OF N:
    10 for each commit on the Rivals 100 (high school) ranked 1-10
    9 for each commit on the Rivals 100 (high school) ranked 11-20
    etc. down to...
    1 for each commit on the Rivals 100 (high school) ranked 91-100

    10 for each commit on the Rivals 100 (non-high school) ranked 1-10
    9 for each commit on the Rivals 100 (non-high school) ranked 11-20
    etc. down to...
    6 for each commit on the Rivals 100 (non-high school) ranked 41-50

    24 for each commit ranked #1 on his official position ranking
    18 for each commit ranked #2-5 on his official position ranking
    8 for each commit ranked 6-X on his official position ranking, where X is dependent on detail position, as listed below...

    --Dual-threat QB: 25
    --Pro-style QB: 25
    --Running Back: 35
    --All-Purpose Back: 15
    --Fullback: 15
    --Wide Receiver: 50
    --Tight End: 20
    --Offensive Tackle: 40
    --Offensive Guard: 30
    --Offensive Center: 10
    --Defensive Tackle: 50
    --Weakside Defensive End: 20
    --Strongside Defensive End: 30
    --Inside Linebacker: 35
    --Outside Linebacker: 35
    --Cornerback: 40
    --Safety: 30
    --Athlete: 25
    --Kicker: (no points awarded for rank lower than 5th)

    If the team's average stars are greater than 3, add (100 * (Avg stars -
    > 3)) to N. For example, if your class is an average of 3.03 stars, we add 3 to your N.
     
  18. jburke

    jburke Well-Known Member

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    I think that a Nealy up to 4 and a couple 5.4 2 star guys to 5.5 would greatly help.
     
  19. Wesley

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    It is interesting to note that dline tackle and wide receiver start at 50, the most number of points.
     
  20. fsanford

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    So basically if you need to recruit 1 position more heavily than others it will determine your fate. Need a couple of extra running backs this year = top 25 recruiting class

    Need to restock the Guard and center position possibly fall out of top 50 in recruiting

    Am I understanding this correctly?
     

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