and pope is gone because...

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  1. NewClone09

    NewClone09 Member

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    isu lacked a true no. 1 guy, the odd rotation throughout the year, or what?

    Our line was decimated, our receivers didn't help much, and the play calling was atrocious usually; we can all agree on, yes?

    The stable of RB's we have amassed had to earn him something I would think. By no means am I against Rhoads breathing new life into the unit by going a different direction, I guess I'm just at a bit of a loss..

    Also, what could we improve on, other than overall talent (recruiting) and utilization of the RB's?
     
  2. CyFan61

    CyFan61 Well-Known Member

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    What else is there beyond talent and utilization of talent for a position coach?

    "What could we improve on, other than everything?"
     
  3. NewClone09

    NewClone09 Member

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    Exactly, so what didn't Rhoads like regarding Pope's coaching or think he could gain with a new hire?
     
  4. Luth4Cy

    Luth4Cy Well-Known Member

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    Probably because Rhoads can hire a running back coach who will get the same production but also recruit better. Also so the new OC can bring in at least one guy he wants.
     
  5. jkclone

    jkclone Well-Known Member

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    Lack of improvement from running backs. It always seemed like someone would break out then get hurt and get thrown in a rotating pile of RB's
     
  6. Cyballz

    Cyballz Well-Known Member

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    we're going protestant
     
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  7. CloneIce

    CloneIce Well-Known Member

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    Why he is gone has nothing to do with running backs, and everything to do with recruiting.

    Alot of position coaches are there primarily to recruit.
     
  8. Clonefan32

    Clonefan32 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with the lack of development. I don't think we've seen much by way of development from the likes of James White and Nealy. Obviously, Shontrelle's situation is different given his injuries but I can't think of a RB who is better today than they were a few years ago.
     
  9. CloneIce

    CloneIce Well-Known Member

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    No, for many positions coaches it is about recruiting, not the position itself (OL coach is definitely an exception). But the value of say, RB & WR coaches is primarily derived from recruiting.
     
  10. Bigman38

    Bigman38 Well-Known Member

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    I was a little surprised but completely fine with Pope leaving. The inability to get much out of that deep stable of RB's is what sunk him IMO. You can argue whether that was because of a lack of development or utilization. It's also tough to just pass the blame off to the O line and passing game when Wimberly was able to make an immediate impact.
     
  11. MartyFine

    MartyFine Well-Known Member

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    Our RBs fumbled too much the last couple years I think. During Rhoads initial time at ISU under Mac ISU hardly ever fumbled (Alford as RB coach). Also, you cannot ignore the RBs roll in pass protection...
     
  12. isufbcurt

    isufbcurt Well-Known Member

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    RB coach is mainly a recruiter. And he doesn't just recruit RB's. What I think we need with a new RB coach is a good Texas recruiter.
     
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  13. CloneIce

    CloneIce Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. He is on staff to recruit Texas. We haven't been recruiting Texas very well. 2 + 2 = 4.
     
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  14. Cyclones01

    Cyclones01 Well-Known Member

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    How would anybody but Rhoads know his reasoning? He obviously had one...
     
  15. NewClone09

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    Hmm, didn't think of the package deal, but that makes total sense. I guess I was under the impression Pope was fairly respected or liked with recruits just based on his coaching track record... I don't know any stats or numbers but some pretty good schools on that list.
     
  16. NewClone09

    NewClone09 Member

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    Well I'm not asking Rhoads.. this is in regards to speculation ABOUT what Rhoads was thinking...
     
  17. Judoka

    Judoka Well-Known Member

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    It is entirely possible that Rhoads thought that Pope was a decent recruiter and a decent coach and didn't have any faults at all with him.

    But that doesn't mean that Rhoads felt that was the best we could do for RB coach. It's possible he just thought that he could find a better recruiter who was equally as good as a coach, or vice versa.
     
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  18. Judoka

    Judoka Well-Known Member

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    Coaches don't recruit their position, they recruit regions.
     
  19. im4cyclones

    im4cyclones Well-Known Member

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    Maybe if he wouldn't wear the red shoes around the office? Follow the new Pope's lead, Ken!

    RedShoes.jpg
     
  20. NewClone09

    NewClone09 Member

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    This is true, I put that the wrong way. I meant to say that I would think development has been decent. White topped out last year, Nealy is improving, Wimberly is the man, SJ always hurt, Woody does what woody does. Not the fact that Pope wasn't the lead recruiter on these guys, or that they weren't from Texas, just that the recruits seemed to want to play in that unit, for that guy.
     

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