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    US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    ISU comes in at #94

    Iowa State University - Best College - Education - US News



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    We've done nothing but move further down on that list. I think in 2006 we were in the low 80's.



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by SCNCY View Post
    We've done nothing but move further down on that list. I think in 2006 we were in the low 80's.
    that is including all the private schools. We are in the 40's in public schools which is up from last year.


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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Now we're behind Alabama and Auburn - so much for looking down our nose academically at the SEC...



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Backlash building against college rankings - Business - Personal finance - msnbc.com

    Interesting story. But it doesn't cloud the fact that there are things ISU can improve.



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by zumbro clones View Post
    US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    ISU comes in at #94

    Iowa State University - Best College - Education - US News

    Glancing through, it looks like we are outranked by Texas and Baylor, and tied with Mizzu in the rankings.

    Overall this is a much more legit list than the Forbes one.



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Glancing through, it looks like we are outranked by Texas and Baylor, and tied with Mizzu in the rankings.

    Overall this is a much more legit list than the Forbes one.
    in the Big 12 A&M, Texas, Baylor and CU are above us

    everyone else is below us.


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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Glancing through, it looks like we are outranked by Texas and Baylor, and tied with Mizzu in the rankings.

    Overall this is a much more legit list than the Forbes one.
    I know I wasn't a fan of their old methodology (neither were a lot of people), but I think they've changed the way they've done things. I'll wait till I get my hands on a copy of the magazine, as I don't think you can really access anything without paying for it online...



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornado man View Post
    Now we're behind Alabama and Auburn - so much for looking down our nose academically at the SEC...
    Quick math...

    Big 12 average: 100.3
    Big 12 average w/o NU and CU: 101.3
    SEC average: 106.6

    Vanderbilt pulls the SEC up quite a bit. Without Vandy, the SEC average is 114.7

    Drop TT from the Big 12 and the average drops to 94.9.


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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by jbhtexas View Post
    Quick math...

    Big 12 average: 100.3
    Big 12 average w/o NU and CU: 101.3
    SEC average: 106.6

    Vanderbilt pulls the SEC up quite a bit. Without Vandy, the SEC average is 114.7

    Drop TT from the Big 12 and the average drops to 94.9.
    Also, remember that just because schools like Florida or LSU or Alabama are ranked well, it doesn't necessarily mean that the academics for student athletes (and more specifically with football players) matches that ranking.



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    There are several criteria that are subjective: high school counselor's perspective, assessment by administrators at peer institutions, student selectivity, etc.
    Couple of things that work against us: financial resources, alumni giving to name a few



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone13 View Post
    There are several criteria that are subjective: high school counselor's perspective, assessment by administrators at peer institutions, student selectivity, etc.
    Couple of things that work against us: financial resources, alumni giving to name a few
    Alumni giving is only 5 percent, right? But I agree that many of the criteria would work against smaller schools (large schools being schools like Michigan, Florida, Texas, etc). It's not ALWAYS the case, but I think there is a benefit to being a larger state school. Or maybe a larger famous state school.

    Anyway, if we look at JUST the public "national universities" for the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC (essentially take out Northwestern, Baylor and Vandy, if I'm not mistaken), this is how things shake out...


    1. Michigan 4
    2. Wisky 13
    3. Texas 13
    4. Illinois 15
    5. PSU 15
    6. Florida 17
    7. OSU 18
    8. Purdue 18
    9. Georgia 18
    10. A&M 22
    11. Minny 23
    12. Iowa 29
    13. Indiana 32
    14. MSU 34
    15. Bama 34
    16. Auburn 38
    17. Colorado 39
    18. ISU 41
    19. Mizzou 41
    20. Kansas 47
    21. Nebraska 47
    22. Tenn 47
    23. Okla 52
    24. S. Car 52
    25. LSU 60
    26. Kentucky 63
    27. KSU 66
    28. OkSU 66
    29. Arkansas 66
    30. TT 72
    31. Ole Miss 72
    32. Miss SU 79


    Note: I'll add the Pac-10, Big East and ACC public "national universities" later



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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    2 things that probably hurt us in the ranking:

    1. School Selectivity (15 percent of the total ranking) Compared to a lot of the schools on there , we aren't selective at all.

    2.Faculty Salary (35% of the Faculty Resources rank which is 20% of total, so about 7% of the total rank) This seems like a gimme for the universities with attached med schools and law schools.


    Not saying either of these is bad, just observations.


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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by jsmith86 View Post
    2 things that probably hurt us in the ranking:

    1. School Selectivity (15 percent of the total ranking) Compared to a lot of the schools on there , we aren't selective at all.

    2.Faculty Salary (35% of the Faculty Resources rank which is 20% of total, so about 7% of the total rank) This seems like a gimme for the universities with attached med schools and law schools.


    Not saying either of these is bad, just observations.
    Bingo. We simply can't match what Med Schools can pay.

    And, selectivity is antithetical to ISU's mission as the land grant university of Iowa. The point is that Iowans regardless of background are given a chance to study here, whether they can hack it and graduate is up to them.


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    Re: US News and World Report - Best Colleges 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by jsmith86 View Post
    2 things that probably hurt us in the ranking:

    1. School Selectivity (15 percent of the total ranking) Compared to a lot of the schools on there , we aren't selective at all.

    2.Faculty Salary (35% of the Faculty Resources rank which is 20% of total, so about 7% of the total rank) This seems like a gimme for the universities with attached med schools and law schools.


    Not saying either of these is bad, just observations.
    The mission of a land grant institution is to provide a college education to those who cannot afford one otherwise. In other words, land grant schools are the "Poor Man's Colleges." Therefore, being a land grant school, ISU cannot be "more selective" as that would in violation of its land grant status. I think USNWR unfairly hits land grant institutions by grading "selectivity" so high. Does this list actually grade the amount in research grants a school receives as a part of its "Faculty Resources" rank? That is one area in which ISU excels.


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