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    ISU Offense

    It has been a very long time since ISU has had a highly functional offense. I think it goes all the way back to the days of Sage Rosensfels. We were decent with Seneca, but he was the whole offense. During the Brett Meyer days, it was the defense and special teams that really made the difference. With Jizzlips in charge, we had no offense (especially red zone) or defense (of any kind). Last year, we were off again - receivers couldn't get open and QB couldn't throw well. Now our offense is being outplayed by our inexperienced defense in practice. I was at the spring game and the offense looked pretty good at that time. I sure hope this is not another learning year for our offense. I am starting to have more faith in our newby DL and LBs than in our "experienced" offense.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by hoosman View Post
    It has been a very long time since ISU has had a highly functional offense. I think it goes all the way back to the days of Sage Rosensfels. We were decent with Seneca, but he was the whole offense. During the Brett Meyer days, it was the defense and special teams that really made the difference. With Jizzlips in charge, we had no offense (especially red zone) or defense (of any kind). Last year, we were off again - receivers couldn't get open and QB couldn't throw well. Now our offense is being outplayed by our inexperienced defense in practice. I was at the spring game and the offense looked pretty good at that time. I sure hope this is not another learning year for our offense. I am starting to have more faith in our newby DL and LBs than in our "experienced" offense.
    Hey, hoosman, is Burl your home town? My wife is from there and I get back to there often - used to live there. Be there for a Notre Dame reunion next month. How do you survive all the Hawks there?

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    Re: ISU Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by hoosman View Post
    It has been a very long time since ISU has had a highly functional offense. I think it goes all the way back to the days of Sage Rosensfels. We were decent with Seneca, but he was the whole offense. During the Brett Meyer days, it was the defense and special teams that really made the difference. With Jizzlips in charge, we had no offense (especially red zone) or defense (of any kind). Last year, we were off again - receivers couldn't get open and QB couldn't throw well. Now our offense is being outplayed by our inexperienced defense in practice. I was at the spring game and the offense looked pretty good at that time. I sure hope this is not another learning year for our offense. I am starting to have more faith in our newby DL and LBs than in our "experienced" offense.
    Seneca was pretty inconsistent but was a amazing to watch when he was good. The only problem with him was when he was bad, he was BAD.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    With the coaches we have on our staff, I would hope the defense would be the strength. That isn't a knock on Herman, just a comparison with Rhoads/Burnham/Elliott. We had good senior leadership in 2000, hopefully they step up this year too.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    You make a great point. Hopefully in the next few years we can really put together a great O. Our running game is great. Our passing game is far from Top 6 In the Big 12. I hope Im wrong and we can be a top 8 Big 12 passing offense.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    If we can complete one deep each game it will be a change.


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    Re: ISU Offense

    seneca only had problems because of our total non existent running game. He did great when ennis was there to take a little pressure off him.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    I'm worried that our "experienced" offense struggles against our green defense. Obviously very early but not a good sign.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    seneca only had problems because of our total non existent running game. He did great when ennis was there to take a little pressure off him.
    Also had a non existent offensive line most of the time. Good thing he was mobile.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by brokenloginagain View Post
    I'm worried that our "experienced" offense struggles against our green defense. Obviously very early but not a good sign.

    Its like wanting your passing game to be better by bringing everyone back.. but at the same time.. you are bringing everyone back.

    Guys were injured last year, but were healthy enough to play. We threw a billion INTS. We lacked the ability to get separation. We lacked big play making ability.


    So basically we have to hope that some how the offense is just that much better because the guys know the playbook more, that guys who were playing last year feel healthier now, or that we have some stud newcomers.


    On a positive, we do have Darius back this year. He should add much help.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    im not sure. i wouldn't put too much stock into the defense outplaying the offense in practice. I remember the toughest defense we faced was our own-- because they saw us run our set of plays day in and day out for years.

    However, some coordiators just use a number system for pass routes- so any combination of those should throw a defense off balance. But not every system does that.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    I think many people are going to be surprised how good our offense is going to be. Just set back and watch.


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    Re: ISU Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by pulse
    With the coaches we have on our staff, I would hope the defense would be the strength. That isn't a knock on Herman, just a comparison with Rhoads/Burnham/Elliott. We had good senior leadership in 2000, hopefully they step up this year too.
    I agree with everything you said. The strength of the team should be the defense considering that there are 3 coaches that were or currently are defensive coordinators. That means that is 38 years of Division 1-A years of defensive coordinating experience on the coaching staff. Tom Herman is the only assistant coach on staff with offense of coordinating experience with 3 years.



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    Re: ISU Offense

    The defense should be a little better than the offense. It seems that is usually the case at this point every year because they know they plays.

    Statistically (from Herman's days at Rice) isn't this the year the Herman Offense really clicks and puts up huge numbers?



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    Re: ISU Offense

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    If we can complete one deep each game it will be a change.

    This. We desperately need to be able to break some big plays. That seems to be a huge part missing from our O. You can almost watch the D inch closer and closer to the line of scrimmage as the game goes on. If we can get a few big plays on tape early in the year and also early in games, I think things will go a lot better for our offense overall. It seems to me we have a few more guys this year that can be that homerun hitter we've been lacking lately



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