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    What if we are wrong about steroids?

    Joe Posnanski Posts What If We Are Wrong Again About Steroids?

    Interesting piece. Not sure if I buy all of it. He goes to the well a few too many times regarding changes to the ball being the culprit, but it's still an interesting take.


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    Re: What if we are wrong about steroids?

    He's really into the juiced-ball theory. I wouldn't mind reading more from the Eric Walker that spurred the story on. If nothing else, that's a really interesting take.


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    Re: What if we are wrong about steroids?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    He's really into the juiced-ball theory. I wouldn't mind reading more from the Eric Walker that spurred the story on. If nothing else, that's a really interesting take.
    yeah, the ball seems to be his number 1 scapegoat. It seems a little forced, and hurts his credibility in my opinion.


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    Re: What if we are wrong about steroids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    yeah, the ball seems to be his number 1 scapegoat. It seems a little forced, and hurts his credibility in my opinion.
    I didn't think it seemed that forced the way he wrote it, but he left out a key consideration when he questioned whether it's reasonable to think that all of these players would start doing steroids at the same time.
    Of course they would. That's when their competition was doing it. Nobody wants to fall behind with that much money at stake.

    I also thought that his (I think Walker's) argument that kids don't choose steroids because pro athletes do them is incredibly naive.


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    Re: What if we are wrong about steroids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    Joe Posnanski Posts What If We Are Wrong Again About Steroids?

    Interesting piece. Not sure if I buy all of it. He goes to the well a few too many times regarding changes to the ball being the culprit, but it's still an interesting take.
    bs, the first part is true that if responsible people do it then it is for the most part is fine, but a lot of people dont so the few spoils it for the rest of the country

    more weight= more body to push the ball, you dont see skinny people knocking home runs

    and your getting paid millions, you gotta accept you have to play at a high level to get paid that high, get caught cheating and lose it all..kind of



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    Re: What if we are wrong about steroids?

    The ball is juiced, especially compared to a long time ago. That said those who say the roids aren't making a difference are just humorous at this point.




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    Re: What if we are wrong about steroids?

    Steroids gives the player them more power, but they don't give him abilities he doesn't already have. If a player can't hit a curveball, or a change-up (a la Steve Lake), then taking steroids won't magically change those holes in his hitting. When he does make contact, the ball will go farther and faster, but that's all. Even with these PED's limited effects, they do pose a significant health risk that's been proven through good science. So, are the risks worth the rewards? All of our pro leagues now say no, and that answer is enough for me.

    As for the juiced ball theories, I'm sure when MLB changes baseball manufacturers, the ball changes as well despite (maybe because of) MLB's spec's for legal balls. If one reads these specs, they contain considerable amount of wiggle room as to what is defined as a legal ball. Therefore, I'm pretty certain there have been changes to the balls the MLB uses for its games, and the effect was probably profound. Also remember the effect that expansion has had in diluting pitching talent; 1977 is a great example along with 1987 as both years were expansion years. Bad pitching means more home runs hit.

    The fact that formerly light hitting, contact hitters suddenly hitting over forty home runs consistently in the 2000's is a sign of PED use, as they would have more power using the drugs. These hitter always made hits before, it's just those hits flew longer distances, hence the increase in home runs. Unfortunately, the powers of MLB decided that having tremendous increases in the number of home runs hit was a good thing, and the rise in attendance, and TV ratings after the MLB strike affirmed that belief. The owners raked in the cash, and never questioned how the players were doing it until recently. The PED ban is being reflected now in the decrease in the numbers of home runs hit these days to early 1980's levels. Is this turn of events a good thing? Only time will tell.


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    Re: What if we are wrong about steroids?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Janny View Post
    Joe Posnanski Posts What If We Are Wrong Again About Steroids?

    Interesting piece. Not sure if I buy all of it. He goes to the well a few too many times regarding changes to the ball being the culprit, but it's still an interesting take.
    I've read where some doctors say steroids are just like most other drugs: They are useful if you don't abuse them. Yes, even if you use them for performance enhancement. The problems with your body breaking down and more frequent injuries come from guys who overuse them.

    The problem is there hasn't been a major study done on steroid use, so people who claim they have all these side effects when taken in any amount are just guessing, based on what they've seen from guys who have abused them.



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