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    How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    I am so pumped about the college football season starting and absolutely can't wait, but I have to admit about the end of every season it ends with a thud because there isn't really a true college champion crowned and it becomes a voting contest. I think there is a way to have a true champion and have it determined on the field and the best part is there is a lot of participation. I think a 32 team field is viable using the same number of games that are played now with the exception of a +1 game and here is how.

    College football has a 12 game season. Every team schedules their first 10 games, which maybe one non-conference and the conference schedule or two non-conference and the conference schedule. Every team leaves the remaining two games open. At the end of the first 10 games there is a selection of 32 teams(this round could be called the sub-playoffs). The 32 teams are then seeded and matched up and play at one of the colleges site. I know revenue is important to each team so no team can have back to back home dates. Unless both teams playing that round were at home and then the higher seed gets the home seed. The losers in this round can be thrown in with the teams not making the 32 sub-playoff seeding for their 12th game of the season and also STILL GET TO QUALIFY FOR A BOWL GAME at the seasons end.

    The teams that didn't make the selection are then are either paired up with other teams that didn't make the selection for their final two games of the season, probably trying to schedule geographically someone close for schools who can't afford travel and cross-country games for schools that can. Each team gets a home game and a road game. These teams can still qualify for a bowl game but didn't qualify for the sub-playoffs.

    By using this process we are down to 8 teams and everyone has played 12 games. There is one quarterfinal round before the bowl games, this is considered the playoff round and teams have played their way into it. This basically replaces the amount of teams playing in conference championship games and there are no further conference championship games.

    Then we are down to 4 teams left and we seed these final 4 in two of the bowl games and 1 remaining bowl for the championship or +1. There could be a regular bidding process every predetermined number of years for bowls to bid to be a part of the 3 bowls involved for this. Also, all of the other bowls are left in place with same conference tie- ins etc. The bowls can choose who they want and all teams with at least 6 wins are eligible(whether one of the 32 teams not making the final 4 or teams that were left out of the sub-playoff.

    This scenario IMO:
    1.) Keeps the regular season viable. People say now the regular season is a playoff which is a fallacy, this scenario makes the regular season a playoff for the national champion.

    2.)This allows for lots of teams to participate to determine a true NC but also truly leaves the bowl structure intact. These previously undetermined games only replace regular season games that teams have now.

    3. It allows for interesting regular season matchups. The last two weeks of the year would be great with both the sub-playoff round and even teams not qualifying still with the hopes of a bowl season could have some intereting matchups.

    4. The two things to overcome is to make sure revenue for home games are not lost which is why the last two weeks each team gets a home and a road game. Maybe the NCAA goes to a 13 game so the bigger schools get to buy off a lesser opponent for another home game if needed. There may be some resistance from the leagues because of not having the conference championship game and the revenue from that but the teams making the final 8 would split revenue for their conferences by selling those tv games in place of the conference championship games, plus a lot of these coaches don't like the conference championship games because it eliminates them from NC games. In this scenario the game is meaningful and part of the NC process.

    It may sound complicated because it takes a while to type out but actually I think it is manageable and would make college football even better!



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    You have put a lot of effort into this scenario. I would be on board.



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    I have to say, that is pretty good. Among the best I have heard in a public forum. I would say, though, you take it to 11 regular games and make it a 16 team deal. 32 is too many. Honestly, even 16 is too many because there are probably only 5 that can and are deserving of winning the championship.


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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    It's a neat idea. However, I don't think that is plausible because the bigger schools such as the Texas and the Ohio States of the world would want to play as many home games as possible in their non-conference slate. In your scenario they could possibly only have 5 home games.

    I also think that 32 teams is too many. There is no way that college football is going to have 32 teams in any playoff scenario in the near future. The progession of the college playoffs is going to start with a plus-one format. Once college football or the BCS figure out how much money they could make with playoffs they will go to 8 then maybe 16 but I believe that 16 will be the maximum amount of teams in the playoffs.

    If playoffs do happen they are going to have play the higher seeds home stadium, because it would be too costly for the fans to play at the neutral sites. I don't want college football to ever abandon the bowl system but I definitely do want to see college football have a playoff system. I would be happy with a plus-one format.



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    Quote Originally Posted by MLawrence View Post
    It's a neat idea. However, I don't think that is plausible because the bigger schools such as the Texas and the Ohio States of the world would want to play as many home games as possible in their non-conference slate. In your scenario they could possibly only have 5 home games.

    I also think that 32 teams is too many. There is no way that college football is going to have 32 teams in any playoff scenario in the near future. The progession of the college playoffs is going to start with a plus-one format. Once college football or the BCS figure out how much money they could make with playoffs they will go to 8 then maybe 16 but I believe that 16 will be the maximum amount of teams in the playoffs.

    If playoffs do happen they are going to have play the higher seeds home stadium, because it would be too costly for the fans to play at the neutral sites. I don't want college football to ever abandon the bowl system but I definitely do want to see college football have a playoff system. I would be happy with a plus-one format.



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    32 team playoff? Have there ever been more than 4 teams at the end of the season who have a legitimate claim to the title "National Champion?" Anything more than a "plus one" is unneccary.


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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    Keep a few things in mind. First of all college football will not drop from 12 games to 11.

    Secondly, my plan allows the regular season(the last two weeks simply allows 32 teams to be in contention for 8 playoff spots which is why I call it the sub-playoffs but is actually regular season games that are assigned. They are only in place of the last two games of the regular season.

    For the point of only 5 home games, that wouldn't happen. Regardless of whether part of the 32 sub playoff teams or the teams that don't make this round you play one home and one road game unless two winners meet that both had home games.

    I think it could be done with the current 12 game schedule, but if it needed a 13th game where revenue schools could buy another home date with lower revenue schools to make it work I think it would be worth it.



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    What if there are more winners that were visiting teams from the round of 32?



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    Just because 32 teams don't have a legitimate shot to win it all doesn't mean that number isn't worthwhile. Much like the field of 64 (68?), it allows for that dream for teams like ours to just get a shot at it.



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    Lawrence the hardest part is balancing the games in the 2nd round or what is the 12th game of the season, and it may take some work to figure it out, but the idea is to try and have 1 home and road game each. Maybe a couple teams end up on the road twice but it should be few teams. Maybe teams that end up losing a home game are reimbursed a certain sum from tv proceeds. Or possibly any teams getting a 2nd home game by chance have a % cut taken from their 2nd home game and distributed to one of the few teams ending up with two road games.

    One interesting thing may be the higher seeded teams may want to start on the road against the lower seeded teams so that they have their home field advantage in the 2nd round when they play higher seeded teams if things were to go according to seed. I would allow the higher seeds to have the option, and begin with #1 team declaring home or away and then #2 seed team and so on until all 16 home teams have decided.

    There would be things to figure out but I haven't seen many other plans that dont increase games played and try and preserve equal home games for teams.



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    Too complicated for reality -- especially with an entire football team not knowing where they'll be playing for 2 games at the end of the season. (It's not like basketball with like 15-20 people travelling).

    Very similar but far simpler (in my opinion):

    1) 6 BSC conferences are required to have a conference championship game. This is roughly the equivalent of your "sub playoff". That's 12 teams involved, 6 moving forward.
    2) PROBABLY 4 or POSSIBLY 8 non-BCS teams will be invited to a 1 or 2 game sub playoff. That's 4 or 8 teams involved, 2 moving forward.
    3) Do a seeded 8 team tournament -- 6 BCS and 2 non-BCS.
    4) These 8 or 10 playoff games (not including the conf. championship games) would be the "BCS bowls" -- held at the various BCS bowl locations (no home games). All other bowls would exist and work like they do now.


    Considering that many conferences already have a 12 game season, plus a conf. championship and a bowl game (14 games) -- there would be only 2 teams that play 15 games, and 2 that play 16. Not really an increase in the # of games for all but 4 teams. A total of 16 (or 20) teams are "in" the playoffs (/subplayoffs).

    This should fairly well mesh the current bowl system with a playoff system. It doesn't much increase the # of games. Some "BCS/playoff" bowls may have to be played in December (stop the madness!). Most controversy would be minimized/eliminated (if you can't win your conf. champ. then that's on you).


    I should note that I'm not particularly in favor of a playoff. It most definitely is NOT the best way to find the best team. Multi-game series is the best way. The current bowl system is far more likely to actually match up the 2 best teams in any given year. Those of you who want a playoff -- I have no problem with that. I would just argue that you want the excitement of a single elimination tournament -- NOT a better way to find the best team (and there's nothing wrong with that).


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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    Quote Originally Posted by TedKumsher View Post
    Too complicated for reality -- especially with an entire football team not knowing where they'll be playing for 2 games at the end of the season. (It's not like basketball with like 15-20 people travelling).

    Very similar but far simpler (in my opinion):

    1) 6 BSC conferences are required to have a conference championship game. This is roughly the equivalent of your "sub playoff". That's 12 teams involved, 6 moving forward.
    2) PROBABLY 4 or POSSIBLY 8 non-BCS teams will be invited to a 1 or 2 game sub playoff. That's 4 or 8 teams involved, 2 moving forward.
    3) Do a seeded 8 team tournament -- 6 BCS and 2 non-BCS.
    4) These 8 or 10 playoff games (not including the conf. championship games) would be the "BCS bowls" -- held at the various BCS bowl locations (no home games). All other bowls would exist and work like they do now.


    Considering that many conferences already have a 12 game season, plus a conf. championship and a bowl game (14 games) -- there would be only 2 teams that play 15 games, and 2 that play 16. Not really an increase in the # of games for all but 4 teams. A total of 16 (or 20) teams are "in" the playoffs (/subplayoffs).

    This should fairly well mesh the current bowl system with a playoff system. It doesn't much increase the # of games. Some "BCS/playoff" bowls may have to be played in December (stop the madness!). Most controversy would be minimized/eliminated (if you can't win your conf. champ. then that's on you).


    I should note that I'm not particularly in favor of a playoff. It most definitely is NOT the best way to find the best team. Multi-game series is the best way. The current bowl system is far more likely to actually match up the 2 best teams in any given year. Those of you who want a playoff -- I have no problem with that. I would just argue that you want the excitement of a single elimination tournament -- NOT a better way to find the best team (and there's nothing wrong with that).



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    I can live with an 8 team playoff where essentially only conference champions are invited. I just think you have a semi-final round after the bowls and then the championship after that using your idea. But your idea that matchip up teams in bowls and voting produces a better champion is not even debatable in my opinion. If it was many other sports would have gone to this. The reasons for bowls has nothing to do with producing a better or real champion.


    My idea was simply a way to continue to create excitement using the regular season but essentially giving us a playoff. It would create extra effort the last two weeks for travel etc. but the matchups would be exciting and relevant. My scenario also in a sense creates the same situation wrestling does with wrestlebacks and a consolation round. A team that didn't make the list of 32, or the losing teams in the first 3 rounds still has a consolation availabe in playing in a bowl which our current system gives them, but in the process we did determine a valid national champion.



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    Re: How to have a true national champion using the regular season

    Quote Originally Posted by Win5002 View Post
    But your idea that matchip up teams in bowls and voting produces a better champion is not even debatable in my opinion. If it was many other sports would have gone to this. The reasons for bowls has nothing to do with producing a better or real champion.
    A) I never said that the bowls have anything to do with producing a better/real champion. I said -- even if it had no bearing on the original idea -- that the current method has a far better chance of actually matching the 2 best college football teams.

    2) "Many other sports" -- exactly my point. Other sports -- when it's viable -- use multi-game series -- BOTH in the playoffs AND in the regular season. Pro basketball, pro baseball, pro hockey . . . However, football is too violent to play multiple 3, 5, 7 game series in playoffs (or regular season). Without a multi-game series, it's much too easy for a lesser team to beat a better team. Now the potential for upsets is full of excitement -- but it's not even a good way to determine the "best team".

    C) I agree that a playoff would be more exciting. It would be more familiar as it's similar to many other sports (especially college sports). It could be done in a way that has less controversy than the current system. These, and others, are really great arguments for a playoff system. It's just NOT a particularly good way to actually determine the "best team" -- and it certainly isn't a better way to match up the 2 best teams to play for a nat. champ.


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