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    Livestock Antibiotics

    Lot of interesting issues raised in this article. I can argue it both ways.

    Livestock drugs threaten human health, FDA says | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register



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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    Lot of interesting issues raised in this article. I can argue it both ways.

    Livestock drugs threaten human health, FDA says | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register
    We have the cheapest and most safe food in the world right here in the US. This change is not needed, and would be a big blow to hog producer's bottom line.

    The FDA also wants to require veterinarian supervision of farm antibiotic use, something that isn't mandatory now.
    That line is vague. Are they saying anytime a pig receives treatment, a vet must be present? If so, good news for vets I guess... bad news for any and all hog farmers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomFan View Post
    We have the cheapest and most safe food in the world right here in the US. This change is not needed, and would be a big blow to hog producer's bottom line.

    That line is vague. Are they saying anytime a pig receives treatment, a vet must be present? If so, good news for vets I guess... bad news for any and all hog farmers.
    You know I hear that a lot, but wonder where the data is to support it and does that data provided really quantify all costs? It's a little peeve of mine. Seems like Americans like to say we're best at this and that, and it's not always the truth. I think the French and Japanese would argue a lot of their food is safer and of higher quality. Brazil could argue very well that their food is cheaper and fairly safe.


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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    We send Japan their food, it is just as safe as ours, Brazil does a good job supporting themselves, and France raises there own or gets it from Europe, Closer and less $ for them. Further more there are still a lot of 3rd even 2nd world countries you still don't see eating a lot of Meat.



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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobber View Post
    You know I hear that a lot, but wonder where the data is to support it and does that data provided really quantify all costs? It's a little peeve of mine. Seems like Americans like to say we're best at this and that, and it's not always the truth. I think the French and Japanese would argue a lot of their food is safer and of higher quality. Brazil could argue very well that their food is cheaper and fairly safe.
    The fact is that US consumers pay a smaller percentage of their income on food than any other country in the world.


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    Go ahead and make all the restrictions you want. the price of food will follow. Then most of those people will *****.

    If they want to do something they should lessen the population density in confinements. Honestly, the meat quality coming from mass production of hogs through confinements has deteriorated pork quality. Open air hogs are less prone to disease and they will produce better meat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yaman3 View Post
    Go ahead and make all the restrictions you want. the price of food will follow. Then most of those people will *****.

    If they want to do something they should lessen the population density in confinements. Honestly, the meat quality coming from mass production of hogs through confinements has deteriorated pork quality. Open air hogs are less prone to disease and they will produce better meat.

    Yaman,

    You are absolutly correct on your pork quality statement. Companies that grow hogs in confinments have been geniticlly selecting them for traits other than meat quality. Until recently and they have a lot of catching up to do. As to open lots vs confinment that is up to your situation and what you have availble, but I hope as a whole industry it gets back to a larger focus on Meat quality.



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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    be glad you r in the united states.most of the rivers in the orient do not have fish in them because the rivers are so polluted that the fish are dead.people are using less antibiotics in the livestock industry over the past few years. peta is ******** about hog confinement systems and crowding of cattle,hogs,chickens and every other kind of animals in confinement rearing. one of my first cousins invented the pig farrowing stall at iowa state
    in 1949 and he was on WOI with his invention.it saved a pig/litter average per farrowing-one of the better inventions in the swine industry other than confined hog setups.
    just read an article last week by one of the best homoEpathic physicians dr william campbell douglas saying DDT should have never been banned.he claims if it gets into fish,you can eat the fish and if the fish get and retain DDT you can safely eat the fish.
    he has had health clinics in africa,central america ,and in the state of washington and he claims we have murdered more people in africa by elimination of DDT. MORE AFRICANS(ADULTS,YOUNG CHILDREN)have died from malaria being spread by mosquitoes since
    DDT been banned.


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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    The vast majority of livestock producers don't give antibiotics excessively. People need to understand that I'm not running out and giving all my calves an antibiotic once a week. I treat one when it is sick, but most of my cattle will never have any sort of antibiotic. I don't think consumers want to eat animals that have been sick most of their lives.



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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    Quote Originally Posted by isufan View Post
    The vast majority of livestock producers don't give antibiotics excessively. People need to understand that I'm not running out and giving all my calves an antibiotic once a week. I treat one when it is sick, but most of my cattle will never have any sort of antibiotic. I don't think consumers want to eat animals that have been sick most of their lives.
    I agree(I'm from a livestock farm and my brother farms it now with a bunch of cattle).

    The article is mostly about low level medication of feed even when animals are obviously not sick. That's a different animal(excuse the pun) in my opinion.

    It's a little like adding a medication to all baby food. We don't do that for good reason?


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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    Quote Originally Posted by isufan View Post
    The vast majority of livestock producers don't give antibiotics excessively. People need to understand that I'm not running out and giving all my calves an antibiotic once a week. I treat one when it is sick, but most of my cattle will never have any sort of antibiotic. I don't think consumers want to eat animals that have been sick most of their lives.
    Exactly, Ive never understood why someone would brag about eating and support "organic" non medicated animals. Why the f would you want to eat some sickly disease ridden beef or porn....its insane. And I will put our indoor raised pigs against any other pigs in the country and I guarantee you you wont find healthier better meat.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bringmagicback View Post
    Exactly, Ive never understood why someone would brag about eating and support "organic" non medicated animals. Why the f would you want to eat some sickly disease ridden beef or porn....its insane. And I will put our indoor raised pigs against any other pigs in the country and I guarantee you you wont find healthier better meat.
    Isn't most of it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by bringmagicback View Post
    Exactly, Ive never understood why someone would brag about eating and support "organic" non medicated animals. Why the f would you want to eat some sickly disease ridden beef or porn....its insane. And I will put our indoor raised pigs against any other pigs in the country and I guarantee you you wont find healthier better meat.
    organic does not mean sick... if it werent for the cost i would go organic. Why the hell would i want to eat some chemically built meat product?



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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    One of Iowa State's own economists said it wouldn't have much of an effect on the bottom line.....so what's the problem?

    People complain when something terrible happens, but will not accept when other people try and do something to prevent something terrible from happening.

    Something's gotta give....



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    Re: Livestock Antibiotics

    Quote Originally Posted by agcy68 View Post
    The fact is that US consumers pay a smaller percentage of their income on food than any other country in the world.
    We're also one of the fattest and most unhealthy among the developed nations in the world.

    Is it causative or or just a correlation.....



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