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    Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Capps to be the closer, Rauch to the setup role.

    Testa is a single A LHP. Twins get cash in deal too.

    Matt Capps is a Twin | StarTribune.com

    Not sure how I feel about giving up Ramos for a RP. I think he could have been used to get more, whether it was this year or next.


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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Expendable piece, but definitely looks like an overpay. At least it isn't a complete rental. If it took Ramos to land Matt freaking Capps, then the rumors of Washington asking for your first born son for Dunn must be true.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Great opportunity for Ramos - catching for Strasburg and provide stability to the catcher position so Harper can move positions. Nats are taking the Tampa Bay model of acquiring talent and could be on the upswing in a couple of years.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Quote Originally Posted by mwitt View Post
    Expendable piece, but definitely looks like an overpay.
    Expendable for sure, just think he could have gotten more for the Twins than a RP.

    Your point may be right as well, not a complete rental and could provide to be valuable next year with the uncertainty of Nathan's return from surgery.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    I knew Gardie was a bit unhappy with Rauch, but really didn't see them making a move for RP. I was thinking that the Twins would make a move towards starting pitching (Lily, etc)



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Rauch wasn't horrible as a closer. Certainly wasn't any Joe Nathan, but the Twins have been spoiled at the closer position with Aguilera, Everyday Eddie, and Nathan over the last 15 years or so.

    But to send the organization's #1/#2 prospect for a rent-a-closer, even if Ramos had no future with the Twins being stuck behind Mauer, is way too much of a steep price.

    Oh, and I'm not quite sure how this addresses the Twins biggest need, bolstering the starting rotation.




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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    You really have to wonder how much Ramos' struggles in AAA this year affected his value on the trade market. He's had pretty decent offensive numbers throughout the minors as he came up, but he's really struggled at the plate this season to the tune of .241/.280/.345. That's pretty ugly.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Quote Originally Posted by RING4CY View Post
    Rauch wasn't horrible as a closer. Certainly wasn't any Joe Nathan, but the Twins have been spoiled at the closer position with Aguilera, Everyday Eddie, and Nathan over the last 15 years or so.

    But to send the organization's #1/#2 prospect for a rent-a-closer, even if Ramos had no future with the Twins being stuck behind Mauer, is way too much of a steep price.

    Oh, and I'm not quite sure how this addresses the Twins biggest need, bolstering the starting rotation.
    1) You're right that Rauch did fine, this definitely does show that they didn't have confidence in him down the stretch.

    2) Capps can be retained as an arbitration-eligible player for 2011. He made 3.5 this year so he could be a security blanket for Nathan's return from injury. If Nathan turns out to be fine, trade him someone where else and get the prospects back. He is not a rental.

    3) I don't mind this move in regards to the SP need. If Lily wasn't an option, than there really wasn't any other SP that could really make an impact needed from a trade. Now that Duensing is in the rotation, the Twins did need more BP help.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Quote Originally Posted by shagcarpetjesus View Post
    You really have to wonder how much Ramos' struggles in AAA this year affected his value on the trade market. He's had pretty decent offensive numbers throughout the minors as he came up, but he's really struggled at the plate this season to the tune of .241/.280/.345. That's pretty ugly.
    His numbers and the fact that everyone knew he was expendable. The Twins really didn't have as much leverage with him as we hoped, most likely.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    This is a great trade for the Twins. Ramos has yet to prove that he can hit a big league breaking ball. After starting out on fire in his debut with 7 hits in his first 9 AB's, he quickly fell off with 1 hit in his next 18 AB's when he started getting a steady dose of off-speed pitches. He might prove able to make the necessary adjustments, but there is a long list of hot prospects who failed in their attempt to handle Uncle Charley. I like the idea of getting an all-star in return for someone who is unproven at this point.

    The Twins bolstered their end of the game options with Capps. Rauch seems to be going through a rough spot just when the Twins need to be in a position to make a run. He has managed to convert 21 of 25 save opportunities, but he has not posted a 3 up / 3 down inning in his last 10 appearances. Capps has a similar save ratio with 26 out of 30, but his underlying numbers are better. He has better ERA, WHIP, and GO/AO numbers. He has also been the hotter pitcher lately with perfect innings in 5 of his last 10 appearances. He should also benefit from the Twins solid infield defense. Two of his blown saves in his only rough stretch back in June were a direct result of errors leading to unearned runs.

    I also expect that Smith is not done yet with strengthening the bullpen. The Blue Jays may be more willing to work out a deal now that they realize that the Twins have already improved their position and can walk away if needed.

    The Twins can certainly win the division with their current starting 5 now that Lariano has found his grove, Baker is pitching like he typically does down the stretch, and Duensing has bolstered the rotation. Pavano is the anchor even if he isn't granted the title of ace. Slowey can at least be serviceable as the 5th starter with an upside of being .500 or better if he pitches like he has proven that he can in the past.

    The ace in the hole for the Twins is when Morneau gets back. Can't do any better than adding a MVP bat to the lineup.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    ****. Screws up my saves in fantasy baseball...


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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Initially I was thinking this was a horrible trade, now I just view it as a poor one. Ramos itself would be an overpay. Testa is a fringe prospect which really doesn't hurt that much to lose but its the principle of the thing here. Capps probably should be one of the best arms in our bullpen, but for giving away a top prospect I'd have thought you'd be able to get a dominant BP arm, not a merely good one.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Quote Originally Posted by jtd9046 View Post
    Capps to be the closer, Rauch to the setup role.

    Testa is a single A LHP. Twins get cash in deal too.

    Matt Capps is a Twin | StarTribune.com

    Not sure how I feel about giving up Ramos for a RP. I think he could have been used to get more, whether it was this year or next.
    I like the deal. It's not like Ramos would ever get a lot of at bats with the Twins anyway. He's really the Twins fourth catcher behind Mauer, Morales and Butera. And I can't find this left-handed pitcher on any of the Twins minor league rosters. Also when you consider who else was trying to get Capps -- the Yankees, Braves, but most importantly, the White Sox -- is makes sense. anything to keep him away from the White Sox.



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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Quote Originally Posted by jtd9046 View Post
    2) Capps can be retained as an arbitration-eligible player for 2011. He made 3.5 this year so he could be a security blanket for Nathan's return from injury. If Nathan turns out to be fine, trade him someone where else and get the prospects back. He is not a rental.
    I did not know this part and makes me feel a little better about the trade. I agree, hold onto him throughout the first half of next season as insurance to Nathan. If Nathan is fully recovered, use Capps as a setup man for the first 3-4 months of the season. Then trade him for prospects or as part of a trade for whatever may be a need to make a stretch run in 2011.




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    Re: Twins acquire Matt Capps for Ramos and Testa

    Quote Originally Posted by Bipolarcy View Post
    I like the deal. It's not like Ramos would ever get a lot of at bats with the Twins anyway. He's really the Twins fourth catcher behind Mauer, Morales and Butera. And I can't find this left-handed pitcher on any of the Twins minor league rosters. Also when you consider who else was trying to get Capps -- the Yankees, Braves, but most importantly, the White Sox -- is makes sense. anything to keep him away from the White Sox.

    Sox were in no way trying to get Capps. Sights are set on Edwin Jackson and Lance Berkman right now.


    I would have thought Ramos would be a chip in a deal for someone bigger than Capps.



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