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    Cheerleading not a sport.

    We now have a judges ruling on it. Seriously.

    Cheerleading not a sport, says U.S. judge - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com


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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    This is very bad news actually. Competitive Cheerleading has a large number of participants that are primarily female. This is a big blow to Men's Olympic sports. Heck, it's even a big blow to us ever getting Baseball back.



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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    This is very bad news actually. Competitive Cheerleading has a large number of participants that are primarily female. This is a big blow to Men's Olympic sports. Heck, it's even a big blow to us ever getting Baseball back.
    Was ISU counting a competitive cheer squad as one of their sports? I didn't think they were.



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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Has anyone seen Iowa States Cheerleaders. They don't strike me as a competitive group. I don't even think they know whats going on half the time at the games. They do look pretty though.


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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by MNCyGuy View Post
    Was ISU counting a competitive cheer squad as one of their sports? I didn't think they were.
    No, but having Competitive Cheerleading ruled "not a sport" for Title IX purposes does impact other school's ability to keep sports like Wrestling, Men's Swimming, Men's Gymanstics, and so on.

    As far as impacting ISU, no, we probably weren't going to add a competitive cheerleading squad pending this ruling. But that doesn't mean that having it as an option wouldn't have been considered at some point down the road. It's an activity with lots of primarily female participants that doesn't require a lot of space or equipment. That would make it very attractive when it comes time to fill Title IX's arbitrary quotas.



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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    This is very bad news actually. Competitive Cheerleading has a large number of participants that are primarily female. This is a big blow to Men's Olympic sports. Heck, it's even a big blow to us ever getting Baseball back.
    Name just ONE school in FBS that counts competitive cheerleading towards Title IX.

    Besides, if you had been paying any attention over the last 2-3 years at all (and clearly you haven't), you would know that it has been mentioned several dozen times that JP has said that bringing baseball back is NOT a Title IX issue - it IS a financial issue. JP could bring BOTH baseball and men's swimming (the two sports "Hacksaw" Bruce Vandevelde axed) back tomorrow WITHOUT Title IX issues because NEITHER were axed due to Title IX issues in the first place. The reason why it's not being brought back is because the ISU AD is focused on improving the "three" revenue-generating sports - football and men's and women's basketball (yeah, I know, women's basketball isn't revenue-generating, but it directly benefits from the improvements that the men's team sees, such as the practice facility and Hilton improvements).

    If you've got the $$$ to give a donation that will set up an endowment that will fund an ISU Baseball team into perpetuity, by all means, donate it. Until then, it'll come back when it comes back, if it ever does - and it won't have to be paired with a women's sport to do so.


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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    Name just ONE school in FBS that counts competitive cheerleading towards Title IX.
    Well, none now. But obviously at least one was trying, and others likely would have followed suite

    Besides, if you had been paying any attention over the last 2-3 years at all (and clearly you haven't), you would know that it has been mentioned several dozen times that JP has said that bringing baseball back is NOT a Title IX issue - it IS a financial issue. JP could bring BOTH baseball and men's swimming (the two sports "Hacksaw" Bruce Vandevelde axed) back tomorrow WITHOUT Title IX issues because NEITHER were axed due to Title IX issues in the first place. The reason why it's not being brought back is because the ISU AD is focused on improving the "three" revenue-generating sports - football and men's and women's basketball (yeah, I know, women's basketball isn't revenue-generating, but it directly benefits from the improvements that the men's team sees, such as the practice facility and Hilton improvements).

    If you've got the $$$ to give a donation that will set up an endowment that will fund an ISU Baseball team into perpetuity, by all means, donate it. Until then, it'll come back when it comes back, if it ever does - and it won't have to be paired with a women's sport to do so.
    The baseball comment was just an aside, what I was really getting at was this ruling's Title IX implications, which are very significant.



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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Well, none now. But obviously at least one was trying, and others likely would have followed suite



    The baseball comment was just an aside, what I was really getting at was this ruling's Title IX implications, which are very significant.
    A sport, which no one was using as an official women's sport, now can't be used as an official women's sport. I fail to see the massive implications here.



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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Go watch the Penn and Teller BS on this subject. Because it isn't a "sport" they aren't required to have all the doctors and trainers of a sport and as a result Cheering has more injuries than the next 10 girls's sports combined. and to learn the amount of money involved all with one corporation with many comanies under it....The family whose daughter was in the wheelchair, that was heart breaking.

    I woudl link it, but as always that show does contain adult content.


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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by MNCyGuy View Post
    A sport, which no one was using as an official women's sport, now can't be used as an official women's sport. I fail to see the massive implications here.
    Because given the current enforcement of Title IX, schools must be very careful about their numbers of athletes. The fact that there is no comparable women's sport to football makes this even harder.

    If ADs were able to add a fairly low cost women's sport to their roster, that would very likely save a number of non-revenue men's programs when it comes time to trim budgets or readjust participation numbers. It would also make it easier for an AD to add new men's programs if they could also add a cheap women's program to offset the new participants.

    I don't get what is hard to grasp about that.



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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Because given the current enforcement of Title IX, schools must be very careful about their numbers of athletes. The fact that there is no comparable women's sport to football makes this even harder.

    If ADs were able to add a fairly low cost women's sport to their roster, that would very likely save a number of non-revenue men's programs when it comes time to trim budgets or readjust participation numbers. It would also make it easier for an AD to add new men's programs if they could also add a cheap women's program to offset the new participants.

    I don't get what is hard to grasp about that.
    In other words, status quo. If cheerleading had previously been counted and starting next year it wouldn't be, then yes, there would be all kinds of issues. But since it hasn't been counted in the past and the courts have said that it will continue to not count, then nothing has changed. I'm not seeing where the problem is.


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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Why do schools need so many sports. I am talking sports nobody cares about. I would not be unhappy if they Iowa STate just had Football, Basketball, Womens basketball, and Wrestling. I don't understand why people really really want baseball now when nobody would show up for it in the past. I don't care about the gymnastic team. None of this makes sense. If we just had 4 sports we would have a crapload more money and we could quit wasting it on crap sports that can't pull in there share of the money.


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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    i have gotten this link several times today from hs friends bc as a senior in hs i was so annoyed with our cheerleaders (who sucked, anybody that went to a school with both a drill team and a cheer squad understands this. In that scenario, the cheer squad are comparable to the flag girls) i ran a huge page spread in the school newspaper sports section about how cheer leading is not a sport and more of a nuisance than anything. Apparently this was a huge ordeal and I "offended" a bunch of girls and had to write an apology and have a meeting with a bunch of the girls parents.


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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    Why do schools need so many sports. I am talking sports nobody cares about. I would not be unhappy if they Iowa STate just had Football, Basketball, Womens basketball, and Wrestling. I don't understand why people really really want baseball now when nobody would show up for it in the past. I don't care about the gymnastic team. None of this makes sense. If we just had 4 sports we would have a crapload more money and we could quit wasting it on crap sports that can't pull in there share of the money.

    Because they are Student-Athletes, not performers for your pleasure. That statement right there pretty much sums up a huge amount of the problems in college athletics.



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    Re: Cheerleading not a sport.

    Quote Originally Posted by Judoka View Post
    Because they are Student-Athletes, not performers for your pleasure. That statement right there pretty much sums up a huge amount of the problems in college athletics.
    Isn't athletics at this level a form of entertainment?


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