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    Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    The secular liberal minority at ISU is trying to keep the ISU FB team from having a full time Chaplain and now this...

    PETA: No live mascot for LSU

    Posted by By James Varney, staff writer May 21, 2007 9:05PM

    In a letter to be faxed to LSU Chancellor Sean O'Keefe today, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals will request the university not pursue a live replacement for Mike V, a royal Bengal tiger and school mascot that died Friday.

    The move was anticipated by several LSU officials, and the letter does not appear to have much chance of swaying opinion at the school, which appears to stand solidly in favor of replacing Mike with a tiger cub.

    Dr. David Baker of the LSU Veterinary School, who cared for Mike and was visibly shaken last week by the tiger's death at 17 from kidney failure, declined to go beyond the curt summary he offered then.

    "The LSU mascot is part of the LSU community, part of the LSU family; a tradition for 71 years," Baker said. "And we intend to obtain another tiger."

    PETA's letter opened by expressing sympathy over Mike's death, which has been acutely felt by many LSU fans. The group urged, however, that the search for Mike VI be curtailed before it gathers momentum.

    "Big cats in captivity are denied everything that is natural and important to them, such as the opportunity to run, climb, hunt, establish their territory, and choose their mates," wrote Lisa Wathne, a specialist for PETA on captive exotic animals.

    In a phone interview Monday, Wathne said the school might be misconstruing the outpouring of comments that have accompanied Mike V's death. Given that live mascots are increasingly uncommon in American sports, the same crowd that shouts with glee when Mike makes his trip around Tiger Stadium before kickoff would probably support the school were it to forgo a living replacement, she said.

    "We believe that more and more people are uncomfortable seeing them in this situation," Wathne said. "People are evolving on this."

    LSU officials, while saying they could not comment on Wathne's letter until they had a chance to digest it, offered some general responses to the complaints of animal rights activists who, as a general rule, oppose any sort of captivity for animals, not just the exotic and endangered kind such as Mike.

    Many wildlife experts put the Bengal tiger population in the wild at 500 or fewer, a number that could mean the species has moved below the sustainability bar. Thus, it is better that tigers remain in luxurious habitats like Mike's than it is they vanish from the earth, school officials said. Last year, Mike moved into a $3 million home, complete with a bathing pool and waterfall, that offered 15,000 square feet of living space.

    What's more, while at LSU, Mike is not pursued by poachers who sought his fur and organs, nor does he have to prowl for a new home among ever dwindling patches of jungle. His appetite and medical needs are handled by a dedicated and loving faculty, the school said.

    "The tigers we will have here will have nothing but top-notch care and facilities," LSU spokeswoman Kristine Calongne said.

    Those arguments are not persuasive to PETA, although the group concedes the university's veterinary acumen. The organization, citing its own figures, said about 15,000 tigers, or 300 times the wild population, are held in private captivity in the United States.

    In addition, the space a tiger needs should be measured in acres, not feet, PETA holds. Wathne said it is unconscionable that such grand animals are kept in "shabby backyard pens and basements."

    Such terms are more than propaganda, according to the letter to O'Keefe, especially because, "if LSU purchases a tiger cub, a newborn tiger will be forcibly removed from his or her mother within days of birth," according to Wathne.

    "In October 2003, the journal Nature reported Oxford University researchers' finding that large, roving predators -- such as tigers -- show stereotypical symptoms of stress when they are kept in captivity because they are unable to satisfy their instinct to roam," she wrote.

    While she acknowledged LSU could buy a tiger legally and thus would not be scouring unsavory wildlife black markets for a new Mike, the overall tone of the transaction is less laudatory in her opinion.

    "LSU would be promoting and contributing to the trade in exotic animal in this country," she said.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    If it's fun. Someone wil protest it. Usually from the far left, but you know it will happen.

    Quick question about the chaplain thing. Why does anyone have to hire a team chaplain. My old chaplain would do it for free.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    Quote Originally Posted by Knownothing View Post
    If it's fun. Someone wil protest it. Usually from the far left, but you know it will happen.

    Quick question about the chaplain thing. Why does anyone have to hire a team chaplain. My old chaplain would do it for free.
    No kidding. You'd think there might be one or two of them out there that are Cyclone fans. I'm sure they'd do it for free if they got locker room access and went on the road trips.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    This is the same type of thing that happened when I was in school. The athletic dept wanted to use a REAL tornado at all home games, but the Meteorology department claimed that captive tornados can't do the natural things they enjoy in the wild. Things like blowing over barns, flinging tractors in the air, and spawning cheesy movies with Bill Paxton.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone#1 View Post
    The secular liberal minority at ISU is trying to keep the ISU FB team from having a full time Chaplain and now this...
    If you get to associate PETA with liberals, then I get to associate the Westboro Baptist Church with conservatives.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    Quote Originally Posted by cys_av8r View Post
    This is the same type of thing that happened when I was in school. The athletic dept wanted to use a REAL tornado at all home games, but the Meteorology department claimed that captive tornados can't do the natural things they enjoy in the wild. Things like blowing over barns, flinging tractors in the air, and spawning cheesy movies with Bill Paxton.
    Don't forget the tornado's accute ability for seek-and-destroy missions directed at trailer parks. Captive tornados know no joy.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    Who was the guy that brought that tornado to the Colorado game last year. I heard he was kicked out of school for doing that. THey had to delay the game and everything.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    This is no different that what has happened at colleges for a long time! Big deal! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions! And...sometimes those opinions provide for great entertainment! Haven't you ever seen PCU? Dumb movie but I laughed the whole way through!



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    What's the problem here? I'm confused.

    They sent a letter asking LSU to reconsider getting another tiger and gave their reasons why. LSU will consider the letter and make their decision. Whether you agree with them or not it sounds like free speech at work and sending a letter is not exactly an outrageous tactic.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    As an clone/tiger hybrid (alum of both) I can only hope that these PETA whack jobs try to hold some form of protest at a game in death valley on a Saturday night this fall. That Mike VI will have some good eating that night becasue these idiots will be on the menu. Actually, the gators in the bayou will be eating well.

    This has about as much chance of passing as I do starting at QB this fall for the Broncos.



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    They sent a letter asking LSU to reconsider getting another tiger and gave their reasons why. LSU will consider the letter and make their decision. Whether you agree with them or not it sounds like free speech at work and sending a letter is not
    Yeah would you be offended if I sent you a letter asking you to consider becomming a Hawkeye?



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    You know, I see having an animal like a horse or a cow or something like that as a mascot, but not a real tiger. Horses and cows are treated like gods with all the goods they get, but tigers really do need more room to roam.
    And as for associating PETA with liberals, I'm a liberal and I like PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    Although I don't agree with PETA, I question the need for a live bengal tiger at a sporting event anyway. It's not like a natural habitat for a tiger would be in a small cage in front of 85-90,000 screaming fans in the heat of the bayou. Give this cub a nice habitat in a zoo and put a student in a suit. The kids love getting a hug from a guy in a suit anyway.

    Live mascots are silly in my book. Same for that buffalo in Colorado and the cow in Austin.



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    Ummm, you DO know that the word "warpath" has negative "Native American" connotations? I may be a middle-aged white guy, but now you've offended me to my core and I will sue you out of existence....



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    Re: Liberal Minorities on the warpath...

    Quote Originally Posted by tube1 View Post
    Although I don't agree with PETA, I question the need for a live bengal tiger at a sporting event anyway. It's not like a natural habitat for a tiger would be in a small cage in front of 85-90,000 screaming fans in the heat of the bayou. Give this cub a nice habitat in a zoo and put a student in a suit. The kids love getting a hug from a guy in a suit anyway.

    Live mascots are silly in my book. Same for that buffalo in Colorado and the cow in Austin.

    So true, I mean, how can you hug a tornado?



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