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    Matt and Ken check your facts

    you guys are talking about how weak Big 12 football is without CU and NU. Haven't you guys been watching college football the last 5 years? The Big 12 has been the second toughest league with no thanks to NU. Last year was the exception. KU, Mizzou, Tech, OSU, Texas, and OU have all been good on a NATIONAL level. The Big 10 is the league that is underperforming on the field, losing to MAC teams and never putting together winning bowl records. Remember 2007 when the Big 12 had 3 legit BCS teams but Mizzou got screwed out of a bid? Great show guys, but don't downplay the Big 12, it has been a great league, even without NU being very good.



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Where's Mike Gundy when you need him?



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    I agree they shouldn't be ripping on the big 12 for anything in football. Take it easy on my big 10 though! But the top and middle of the big 12 have always scared me as a hawk fan! Good luck this year!



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Well, conference strength is cyclical. The Big 10 had some great years in the late 90s and early 2000s. The Big 10 will be a huge power going forward. Last year the Big 10 made some good strides. One thing working against the Big 10 is their schools have to travel to other conferences home states to play in bowls games. They play SEC teams in their back yard and of course the Rose Bowl is played in the home state of the California schools.



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    NU is 2-14 in the last 7 years against all big 12 south teams (excluding baylor) Really, losing NU makes us weak???


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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Quote Originally Posted by JCloned View Post
    NU is 2-14 in the last 7 years against all big 12 south teams (excluding baylor) Really, losing NU makes us weak???

    Let me guess who the 2 wins were against...

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    Oklahoma last year, already forgot about that.
    And similar to us a win at A&M.

    Ok, i didn't guess i looked it up. Big deal.


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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Quote Originally Posted by tim_redd View Post
    Let me guess who the 2 wins were against...
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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Last I checked we beat Nebraska (with our starting QB and RB injured) and Colorado last year.



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    The same Nebraska fans that have ripped the Big Ten for years are now praising the conference as being the best in the nation. Sorry, Big 12 football is still better.



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    It's no contest. The Big 12 has better football than everyone except the SEC. The only arguments could be for positions 3-6 amongst BCS conferences.



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Losing the best program and team in the North is an issues. Losing the 2 biggest FB names in the North is an issue. Texas an OU are on their own level, the rest of the teams in the conference are good but not on that level. Nebraska could be the only other team to reach that high level.


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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Heres my rankings for Football:
    1. Texas- BCS talk yearly
    2. Oklahoma- almost the same
    3. Texas Tech- consistent 9-10 win seasons
    4. Missouri- quietly puts together winning seasons every year
    5. Nebraska- weaker now that late 90's early 00's but still solid for the most part
    6. Oklahoma St.-improved recently
    7. Kansas- had one amazing season surrounded by a few okay ones.
    8. Texas A&M- a few okay seasons
    9. Colorado- 2 mediocre seasons but some really bad ones
    10. ISU- same minus 1 North title
    11. Kansas St.- no bowls recently
    12. Baylor- same

    Losing Nebraska hurts a bit however Colorado is pretty irrelevant. Neither is the crushing blow that losing Texas or Oklahoma would be though.



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    Re: Matt and Ken check your facts

    Quote Originally Posted by ItsCYence View Post
    Where's Mike Gundy when you need him?
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    Facts? FACTS? We don't need no stinkin' facts! Hahahahahahahahaha



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